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    It's all good until you experience a fire where there's two of them.

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    Lol, depends on the group. I was recently at an sca event and had a fire going with another tender, and we worked great keeping the fire stoked and we're super chill about it. We even helped each other reset the stack as it collapsed and more fuel was added.

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    • anzo@programming.devA [email protected]

      I see that. But where lies the joke exactly? My interpretation is that this white dude barely knows what he's doing, like constantly moving the wood. To me is more like set it up, and watch it burn. Then, from time to time, you add another log.

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      I mean, there's no way of knowing with any certainty from this image alone whether or not the guy is tending the fire competently...

      But it is actually not as simple as 'just throw on another log'.

      How long do you want the fire to burn?

      How hot do you want the fire to burn?

      Do you have an accelerant, or no?

      Is your timber and kindling very dry or very wet?

      Is your timber and kindling going to need to burn through bark or not?

      How sappy is your timber and kindling?

      How hot or cold or windy is it, is it expected to become?

      All these things and more can and do affect the initial layout of the campfire, how to adjust it and maintain it to keep it going at the rate and intensity you want it to, especially if the desired goal state of the fire changes, and/or environmental conditions change or are expected to change significantly.

      ...

      Anyway, the 'joke' could be more or less racially based.

      I'd say yeah, you probably are more likely to find a random white guy that uh... knows all the stuff I just previously said, but thats because a random white guy (in the US, at least) is more likely to have come from a family that could afford camping trips, could send their kids to the scouts or something.

      (This is basically the same root behind the 'black people don't know how to swim' uh, 'joke'.)

      (Yep, turns out you're more likely to learn how to swim if your parents could afford to / were not segregated out of living in a community with access to pools or beaches)

      Again though, there's no real way from the given context to determine... whether or not the image was made by someone aware of this, and is referencing that...

      ... or if they're just making a very basic, pithy, uninformed, surface level observation...

      or somewhere in between this.

      ...

      There could also be an element of sexism to the 'joke', if you interperet 'and I respect that' as completely sarcastic, sort of going along with your interpretation.

      'Oh, clearly this dude doesn't know what he's doing, he's just trying to look like he knows what he's doing.'

      ...

      So yeah, if your 'joke' is possibly racist, possibly sexist, unclear about whether or not it actually is, and generally illicits confusion when it is described or explained as a joke...

      Then uh, I agree with you, its not a very good joke.

      ...

      Also, to perhaps clarify younger / more modern slang:

      'really fucks with', to maybe a millenial or older, would mean that you keep consistently interfering with or engaging with some person or process or activity.

      But! To Gen Z / A, 'really fucks with' is closer to... 'spends their time' or 'engages at all' or even 'is seriously dedicated to'.

      Like if I asked a Gen A if they knew person A, they could respond, 'No, I don't really fuck with person A'.

      And that would basically mean that they don't know them that well, or at all.

      Whereas if a millenial or older person said 'I don't really fuck with person A'... that would be more like a denial of bullying or harassing them.

      The Gen Z/A usage of 'fucks with' is much more morally/intent neutral, wheras the Millenial/Older usage is more morally/intent negative.

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      • K [email protected]

        I am curious now, how does race stop someone touching grass in the US?

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        Intersectionly.

        The US has extremely shit PT, with black Americans often living in already under-serviced communities, and with less disposable income and social services to support them to travel off to touch some grass.

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          I don't know why, I just have to keep poking that fucker with the dedicated poking stick, then wave the burning poking stick around for a bit.

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          • B [email protected]

            It's all good until you experience a fire where there's two of them.

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            If there isn't another I will become that person just to fuck with them.

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            • deceptichum@quokk.auD [email protected]

              Intersectionly.

              The US has extremely shit PT, with black Americans often living in already under-serviced communities, and with less disposable income and social services to support them to travel off to touch some grass.

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              What does PT mean in this context?

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                I am curious now, how does race stop someone touching grass in the US?

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                Lookup "Sundown Towns"

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                • K [email protected]

                  What does PT mean in this context?

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                  Public Transportation/Transit, is my guess, given the context

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                  • B [email protected]

                    I didn't know it was a racial trait.

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                    Or gendered. I do this in my friend group. I also grill, smoke, and bbq.

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                    • A [email protected]

                      Probably a trans woman? From the name and Fed instance.

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                      Either that or an it*lian.

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                        I'm out for a bit. Need more wood.

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                          White people's ancestors had to survive brutal winters. It's the reason they're white.

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                          Ehhhh, even places like the Sahara can get below freezing temps at night. Of course we also shouldn't forget that people native to the Asian steppe and American high plains would also need to deal with freezing temps. I just think that it's a human trait in general to need to mess with fires. (That probably stems from a vast amount of people on earth being able to trace their heritage back to the Mongols)

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                          • B [email protected]

                            It's all good until you experience a fire where there's two of them.

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                            Wrong! Give me a fire buddy!

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                            • knightly@pawb.socialK [email protected]

                              Solidarity from another former white guy and campfire enthusiast.

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                              Three of us!

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                                It's all good until you experience a fire where there's two of them.

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                                where there's two of them.

                                This is getting out of hand!

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                                • anzo@programming.devA [email protected]

                                  I see that. But where lies the joke exactly? My interpretation is that this white dude barely knows what he's doing, like constantly moving the wood. To me is more like set it up, and watch it burn. Then, from time to time, you add another log.

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                                  Mmm, but what if a log falls over? Or all of one side of a piece of wood burns? Or someone decides they wanna make s'mores and they need a good spot for it?

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                                    I feel like it's a do-or-die caveman instinct or something.

                                    I was hanging out with a group of people in my friend's backyard. We were supposed to have a bonfire, but the wood was wet and wasn't burning. We used all sorts of fuel, fire starters, etc. I saw what looked like corner of a log turn into ember, so wouldn't give up. Never got a flame when we were there, of course.

                                    I felt very proud though when my friend sent me door camera footage of the firepit turning into a massive blaze in the middle of night that woke her up.

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                                    Wet wood is the worst. If you have some dry and some wet you can sort of power through it. A cabin we were at with a wood burning fireplace had a lot of wet wood. It kept popping and scaring us so we kept making that joke from The Office "the fire is shooting at us!"

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                                    • darkassassin07@lemmy.caD [email protected]

                                      I was a white man for decades

                                      I feel like someone's gotta ask:
                                      Are you no longer a white man?

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                                      @Alxe has it, I am now a white woman 🙂

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                                        Sabre-tooth tigers might sneak up and attack if the fire goes out, at least, I've not been attacked by one when the fire is burning, so I just can't take the risk.

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                                          Closet pyros

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