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  • S [email protected]

    I wonder if there is a genetic component to keeping fire for recreation or comfort.

    I think all societies have a cooking on fire aspect.

    The use of fire seems to play a much more active role in societies in cold climates. It seems to play a less prominent role in the tropics with warmer nighttime temperatures.

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    This reminded me of something my dad told me when I was younger. It was mostly to justify saying that no, I did not need a TV in my room, but still kinda interesting:

    In many cultures (definitely the ones my family grew out of), the fire served as a gathering spot. People would talk about stuff, share food and jokes, and relax together. It was a shared experience and source of comfort that helped strengthen interpersonal bonds.

    His argument was that the family TV served a similar function (without the whole 'also it's the means for cooked food' aspect, which shouldn't be overlooked). It's a point that made some sense to me at that stage of late 20th century mainstream society.

    Hmm...the 21st century, defined as billions of little fires, and many of us cold. There's a really pretentious poem here somewhere.

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      I mean, there's no way of knowing with any certainty from this image alone whether or not the guy is tending the fire competently...

      But it is actually not as simple as 'just throw on another log'.

      How long do you want the fire to burn?

      How hot do you want the fire to burn?

      Do you have an accelerant, or no?

      Is your timber and kindling very dry or very wet?

      Is your timber and kindling going to need to burn through bark or not?

      How sappy is your timber and kindling?

      How hot or cold or windy is it, is it expected to become?

      All these things and more can and do affect the initial layout of the campfire, how to adjust it and maintain it to keep it going at the rate and intensity you want it to, especially if the desired goal state of the fire changes, and/or environmental conditions change or are expected to change significantly.

      ...

      Anyway, the 'joke' could be more or less racially based.

      I'd say yeah, you probably are more likely to find a random white guy that uh... knows all the stuff I just previously said, but thats because a random white guy (in the US, at least) is more likely to have come from a family that could afford camping trips, could send their kids to the scouts or something.

      (This is basically the same root behind the 'black people don't know how to swim' uh, 'joke'.)

      (Yep, turns out you're more likely to learn how to swim if your parents could afford to / were not segregated out of living in a community with access to pools or beaches)

      Again though, there's no real way from the given context to determine... whether or not the image was made by someone aware of this, and is referencing that...

      ... or if they're just making a very basic, pithy, uninformed, surface level observation...

      or somewhere in between this.

      ...

      There could also be an element of sexism to the 'joke', if you interperet 'and I respect that' as completely sarcastic, sort of going along with your interpretation.

      'Oh, clearly this dude doesn't know what he's doing, he's just trying to look like he knows what he's doing.'

      ...

      So yeah, if your 'joke' is possibly racist, possibly sexist, unclear about whether or not it actually is, and generally illicits confusion when it is described or explained as a joke...

      Then uh, I agree with you, its not a very good joke.

      ...

      Also, to perhaps clarify younger / more modern slang:

      'really fucks with', to maybe a millenial or older, would mean that you keep consistently interfering with or engaging with some person or process or activity.

      But! To Gen Z / A, 'really fucks with' is closer to... 'spends their time' or 'engages at all' or even 'is seriously dedicated to'.

      Like if I asked a Gen A if they knew person A, they could respond, 'No, I don't really fuck with person A'.

      And that would basically mean that they don't know them that well, or at all.

      Whereas if a millenial or older person said 'I don't really fuck with person A'... that would be more like a denial of bullying or harassing them.

      The Gen Z/A usage of 'fucks with' is much more morally/intent neutral, wheras the Millenial/Older usage is more morally/intent negative.

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      #122

      This is some damn fine analysis of a screencap of a TikTok.

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      • cracks_inthewalls@sh.itjust.worksC [email protected]

        This is some damn fine analysis of a screencap of a TikTok.

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        #123

        Autism + Boredom + Lemmy =

        Inordinant level of analysis on entirely random subjects

        EDIT

        Oh right, social norms!

        Skipped my mind.

        Thank you for the compliment =D

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        • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.worksV [email protected]

          The best pyromancy comes from the United States, we have such classics as The German Barbeque, Korean Barbeque, Vietnam Barbeque, and California.

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          Is that a jab about all the forest fires CA keeps experiencing? If so, well done. I chuckled.

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            Is that a jab about all the forest fires CA keeps experiencing? If so, well done. I chuckled.

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            #125

            I'm from the Inland Empire here in SoCal I have to make jokes or the sirens call of the inferno starts to eat away at ones mind.

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            • violetsoftness@piefed.blahaj.zoneV [email protected]

              from the name??

              this is going to mess with me when i make my next account 😂

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              My take is that 'violetsoftness' just seems like a feminine username. So if you used to identify as male but now use that username, I also guessed trans woman. The name itself doesn't necessarily make me think trans, just fem.

              For whatever it's worth, I think it's a great name! It gives a nice, friendly vibe, like you would be fun to hang out with.

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              • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.worksV [email protected]

                The best pyromancy comes from the United States, we have such classics as The German Barbeque, Korean Barbeque, Vietnam Barbeque, and California.

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                #127

                You forgot the Midwest Bonfire with 1000 drunken teenagers and a fire big enough that the local fire chief comes to check on it.

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                • cracks_inthewalls@sh.itjust.worksC [email protected]

                  This reminded me of something my dad told me when I was younger. It was mostly to justify saying that no, I did not need a TV in my room, but still kinda interesting:

                  In many cultures (definitely the ones my family grew out of), the fire served as a gathering spot. People would talk about stuff, share food and jokes, and relax together. It was a shared experience and source of comfort that helped strengthen interpersonal bonds.

                  His argument was that the family TV served a similar function (without the whole 'also it's the means for cooked food' aspect, which shouldn't be overlooked). It's a point that made some sense to me at that stage of late 20th century mainstream society.

                  Hmm...the 21st century, defined as billions of little fires, and many of us cold. There's a really pretentious poem here somewhere.

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                  #128

                  Yeah I miss the days when my entire family would gather by the TV at night to watch something, anything really, I could be laying on the sofa reading a book but still enjoy the company and finding something interesting while channel surfing was it's own joy, now I can stream or download anything I want to watch on all my devices and I can't find anything interesting that makes me feel the sense of peace I had back then as a kid

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                  • M [email protected]

                    Really not trying to be rude.

                    I don’t have TikTok and don’t want one.
                    I want to be a part of online stuff such as this story you’re telling.
                    But.

                    TikTok is fucking cancer on a phone/device that doesn’t have an account and doesn’t (therefore) have the app installed.

                    Popups of all forms. Just like sketchy websites.
                    It’s just a red flag. That’s all.

                    These experiences really reinforce my decision to NOT have a TikTok.

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                    #129

                    100% agree. Fucking hate tiktok. Even beyond the data they collect and shit, how skeezy they are about watching the videos makes them so shitty.

                    That said, open it in a browser and then set to desktop site it you're on mobile. It allows it to play without the popups. Mobile browser tiktok feels like a late 90s porn site with the popups

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                    • thal3s@sh.itjust.worksT [email protected]

                      Source

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                      #130

                      It is insane how much that dude looks like my brother. He even has the exact same shirt and shoes. Like I genuinely thought some random picture of him had been put online. When I texted him about it he had to text his best friend to find out if the chick in the picture was maybe one of the friends old girlfriends or something he'd forgotten about. Even my brother thought it was a picture of him. Lol

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                      • thal3s@sh.itjust.worksT [email protected]

                        (TikTok screencap)

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                        #131

                        Might be easier to talk to her, if fuckin' Debra over there'd get off her damn phone while camping, FFS. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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                          (TikTok screencap)

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                          This is the campfire equivalent of that one person who makes best friends with the family dog at every party. Some of us enjoy the group but our social skills are only on par with fires and dogs.

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                            I mean, there's no way of knowing with any certainty from this image alone whether or not the guy is tending the fire competently...

                            But it is actually not as simple as 'just throw on another log'.

                            How long do you want the fire to burn?

                            How hot do you want the fire to burn?

                            Do you have an accelerant, or no?

                            Is your timber and kindling very dry or very wet?

                            Is your timber and kindling going to need to burn through bark or not?

                            How sappy is your timber and kindling?

                            How hot or cold or windy is it, is it expected to become?

                            All these things and more can and do affect the initial layout of the campfire, how to adjust it and maintain it to keep it going at the rate and intensity you want it to, especially if the desired goal state of the fire changes, and/or environmental conditions change or are expected to change significantly.

                            ...

                            Anyway, the 'joke' could be more or less racially based.

                            I'd say yeah, you probably are more likely to find a random white guy that uh... knows all the stuff I just previously said, but thats because a random white guy (in the US, at least) is more likely to have come from a family that could afford camping trips, could send their kids to the scouts or something.

                            (This is basically the same root behind the 'black people don't know how to swim' uh, 'joke'.)

                            (Yep, turns out you're more likely to learn how to swim if your parents could afford to / were not segregated out of living in a community with access to pools or beaches)

                            Again though, there's no real way from the given context to determine... whether or not the image was made by someone aware of this, and is referencing that...

                            ... or if they're just making a very basic, pithy, uninformed, surface level observation...

                            or somewhere in between this.

                            ...

                            There could also be an element of sexism to the 'joke', if you interperet 'and I respect that' as completely sarcastic, sort of going along with your interpretation.

                            'Oh, clearly this dude doesn't know what he's doing, he's just trying to look like he knows what he's doing.'

                            ...

                            So yeah, if your 'joke' is possibly racist, possibly sexist, unclear about whether or not it actually is, and generally illicits confusion when it is described or explained as a joke...

                            Then uh, I agree with you, its not a very good joke.

                            ...

                            Also, to perhaps clarify younger / more modern slang:

                            'really fucks with', to maybe a millenial or older, would mean that you keep consistently interfering with or engaging with some person or process or activity.

                            But! To Gen Z / A, 'really fucks with' is closer to... 'spends their time' or 'engages at all' or even 'is seriously dedicated to'.

                            Like if I asked a Gen A if they knew person A, they could respond, 'No, I don't really fuck with person A'.

                            And that would basically mean that they don't know them that well, or at all.

                            Whereas if a millenial or older person said 'I don't really fuck with person A'... that would be more like a denial of bullying or harassing them.

                            The Gen Z/A usage of 'fucks with' is much more morally/intent neutral, wheras the Millenial/Older usage is more morally/intent negative.

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                            #133

                            Thanks a lot 🙂 There's always a lemmy user who really fucks with explaining a meme and I respect that ❤

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                              Thanks a lot 🙂 There's always a lemmy user who really fucks with explaining a meme and I respect that ❤

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                              #134

                              no cap man fr fr, gotta recognize the w's when you get em, appreciate you gassin' me up!

                              low key, you gotta lay off that brainrot addiction a bit, replace it with just a dash, a little sprinkle of linguistic hyperfixation, as well as healthy downtime, contemplation, and then a lot of those jokes and memes? they just hit different.

                              (uh, uh, ok, imagine this comment also overlay bordered with subway surfers or something)

                              (up to you to determine if the meta irony of that is intentional or not)

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                                Brown guy here, I like fire too

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                                You know it's American when skin colour is mentioned for no reason

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                                • dharmacurious@slrpnk.netD [email protected]

                                  100% agree. Fucking hate tiktok. Even beyond the data they collect and shit, how skeezy they are about watching the videos makes them so shitty.

                                  That said, open it in a browser and then set to desktop site it you're on mobile. It allows it to play without the popups. Mobile browser tiktok feels like a late 90s porn site with the popups

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                                  Thx for the info!

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                                    Destined to link the flame

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                                      You forgot the Midwest Bonfire with 1000 drunken teenagers and a fire big enough that the local fire chief comes to check on it.

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                                      Isn't that just Sunday?

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