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France is about to pass the worst surveillance law in the EU.

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  • I [email protected]

    I don't even really want to ask, but... what happened with Tuta? I know what happened with the other 3.

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    Tuta would also be required to implement a backdoor in their encryption if this law passes. In this post they've stated they will refuse to do so, because it's not possible.

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    • soleinvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

      Huh? I don't think you understand my comment. You're just agreeing with me and I'm already agreeing with you.

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      I don't agree with you.

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      • S [email protected]

        I don't agree with you.

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        So then you're in favor of these government backdoors? Because your comment suggests the opposite.

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        • F [email protected]

          cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/56769139

          cross-posted from: https://sopuli.xyz/post/23170564

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          Ah yes, for the upcoming Ministry of Love.

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          • S [email protected]

            I don't agree with you.

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            I think you do, you just misread their comment.

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            • Z [email protected]

              Signal, Tuta, Proton. And that Apple bullshit.

              This push to know everything about everyone is outrageous, expected, and depressing.

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              What happened with Signal?

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                I think you do, you just misread their comment.

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                Nope. I didn't and I don't.

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                • soleinvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

                  So then you're in favor of these government backdoors? Because your comment suggests the opposite.

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                  No, I don't agree that a want of privacy is an American thing.

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                    No, I don't agree that a want of privacy is an American thing.

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                    So you misread my comment but you're one of those types who can't admit when they're wrong. I'd say it's our little secret but I see someone else pointed it out too.

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                    • akasazh@feddit.nlA [email protected]

                      Yup, they are trying to put a backdoor into signal, even though their military advised against it.

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                      Isn't that the CIA app?

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                      • soleinvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

                        So you misread my comment but you're one of those types who can't admit when they're wrong. I'd say it's our little secret but I see someone else pointed it out too.

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                        Nope. You're the one refusing to admit being wrong.

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                        • S [email protected]

                          Nope. I didn't and I don't.

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                          Telling someone who says government access will be used to spy on citizens but will be useless for combating serious crime that they want telescreens doesn't make any sense. Either you don't know what a telescreen is, you have poor reading comprehension, or you're a fairly clever troll. Maybe some of all the above.

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                            cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/56769139

                            cross-posted from: https://sopuli.xyz/post/23170564

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                            But they're not the good guys either

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                            • S [email protected]

                              Telling someone who says government access will be used to spy on citizens but will be useless for combating serious crime that they want telescreens doesn't make any sense. Either you don't know what a telescreen is, you have poor reading comprehension, or you're a fairly clever troll. Maybe some of all the above.

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                              I'm telling someone who says that a want for uncompromising privacy is a US thing that it's not, and that these compromises they speak of would be akin to telescreens if applied to a non-digital situation.

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                                I'm telling someone who says that a want for uncompromising privacy is a US thing that it's not, and that these compromises they speak of would be akin to telescreens if applied to a non-digital situation.

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                                I'm telling someone who says that a want for uncompromising privacy is a US thing that it's not

                                But their comment doesn't say or suggest that.

                                and that these compromises they speak of would be akin to telescreens if applied to a non-digital situation.

                                And they don't say anything about the compromises except that they'd be used for spying on citizenry.

                                This isn't my fight, I saw you were confused and thought I'd help. My mistake, you really are one of those double down or die types.

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                                  What happened with Signal?

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                                  Sweden wants a backdoor. I hope that idiocy is shot down fast.

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                                  • S [email protected]

                                    I'm telling someone who says that a want for uncompromising privacy is a US thing that it's not

                                    But their comment doesn't say or suggest that.

                                    and that these compromises they speak of would be akin to telescreens if applied to a non-digital situation.

                                    And they don't say anything about the compromises except that they'd be used for spying on citizenry.

                                    This isn't my fight, I saw you were confused and thought I'd help. My mistake, you really are one of those double down or die types.

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                                    Wow. Seems like you missed an entire comment.

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                                    • O [email protected]

                                      Sweden wants a backdoor. I hope that idiocy is shot down fast.

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                                      Ah, I heard about that. I recognized Proton’s and Apple’s self-inflicted bullshit, so I was afraid that Signal might have done something stupid to themselves as well

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                                      • S [email protected]

                                        Wow. Seems like you missed an entire comment.

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                                        Wow indeed. We're only a few comments deep, so you can see the original comment. This one:

                                        Continuing the analogy, government agencies can absolutely eavesdrop on in-person conversations unless you expend significant resources to prevent it. This is exactly what I believe will happen - organized crime will develop alternate methods the government can't access while these backdoors are used to monitor less advanced criminals and normal people.

                                        I challenge you to show where it suggests a "want for uncompromising privacy is a US only thing." Then point out where they show support for government access to communications.

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                                        • F [email protected]

                                          cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/56769139

                                          cross-posted from: https://sopuli.xyz/post/23170564

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                                          Backdoors for 'good guys' don't exist—this is a shortcut to mass exploitation.

                                          😾

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