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What are the biases of Lemmy?

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    Lemmy prefers Star Trek over Star Wars.

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    I'm more a The Expanse type of person

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      What do you think Lemmy is most biased about? Which opinions do you think differ most from the general internet?

      (Excluding US politics, due to community rules)

      Commonly mentioned biases:

      Subject Mentions
      Pro-Privacy 2
      Left-Wing 9
      Anti-Capitalism 5
      American 5
      Older 2
      Pro-Linux 3
      Tech people 5
      Anti-Ai 4
      Pro-LBTQ+ 3
      Anti religion 3
      Pro-Communism 3

      Bonus: Gaming Biases

      Subject Mentions
      Nintendo hate 3
      Pro-SteamDeck 1
      Anti-GOG 1
      PC over console 1
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      Lemmy is not neurotypical and it shows up with various discussions. Discussions here tend to assume autism or AuDHD as typical behavior, when it is only typical for the group of people assembled here.

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      • P [email protected]

        It’s not hatred of AI there.

        I still disagree, but let me create another hypothetical example that may highlight where we might disagreement further:

        What if Deep Learning (not Gen AI) was used in missile guidance systems specifically to aim toward "people shaped targets"? Would the hate be for AI or just for missiles? If missiles is your answer, where is the distinction in your mind between that and the self-driving cars example?

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        There is no relevant distinction.

        I hate missiles for the damage they do regardless of the technology used to point them at the target.

        I hate cars for the damage they do regardless of the technology used to point them at the target.

        There’s a difference of intent (missiles get aimed at people while self driving cars hopefully get aimed away from people).

        There’s a difference of failure modes (when a self-driving car fails it will often hit a person while a failing missile will miss a person).

        But theres no reason to hate machine-learning for that, any more there is a reason to hate gyroscopes or lidar or other tools which are also used in guidance systems.

        If someone had decided that a simple accelerometer were “good enough” to unleash self-driving cars on the general public without consideration for the damage caused, people would be upset and rightly so, but not because of the specific technology itself.

        Edit: changed AI to “machine-learning”

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        • P [email protected]

          Unfortunately it’s just harder to be a Star Wars fan since Disney bought it.

          Paramount is trying very hard to create the same difficulty to love Star Trek with their Section 31 movie.

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          In a rare defense of the movie... It was originally intended to be a miniseries but it got cut down to a movie when Michelle Yeoh won her Oscar and quickly became the most in demand actress for everyone.

          While I hated the movie and most aspects, it was very much a compromise on the original vision and was in no way what Paramount was intending to make. It's hard to tell if it being a show would've fixed all the issues with the acting and characters being cringe af but at the very least it probably wouldn't have had the same pacing issues and extremely rushed writing.

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          • thepowerofgeek@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

            This brings up another facet: when it comes to ideological biases it's all subjective.

            I consider lemmy.world slightly left of center overall, but again with important caveats that some communities within it are pretty left wing and some are pretty right wing. But maybe to someone pretty far on the left of the political spectrum the instance seems very right wing, while to someone pretty far to the right it seems like almost everyone are 'rabid pinko commies'.

            Basically, things are more complicated than they may look.

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            I just joined Lemmy and then I discoverd what .ml is. Now I don't care about instances anymore

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            • maven@lemmy.zipM [email protected]

              In a rare defense of the movie... It was originally intended to be a miniseries but it got cut down to a movie when Michelle Yeoh won her Oscar and quickly became the most in demand actress for everyone.

              While I hated the movie and most aspects, it was very much a compromise on the original vision and was in no way what Paramount was intending to make. It's hard to tell if it being a show would've fixed all the issues with the acting and characters being cringe af but at the very least it probably wouldn't have had the same pacing issues and extremely rushed writing.

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              I didn't make it past 15 minutes of watching it. I bailed when it became immediately obvious this was an attempt at a Star Trek version of Suicide Squad of quirky misfits. That whole concept is not what Section 31 had been sold to us in the various Star Trek series'. What we were expecting were the best minds recruited across Starfleet performing morally questionable actions in service of their (possibly twisted notion) of the "greater good".

              Julian Bashir working for Section 31 had no place in that movie version of the agency of the same name. Nor did Malcolm Reed. The movie version of Section 31 made a joke of 30 years of espionage and political intrigue.

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                No, we're left, please pay attention 🙃

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                You know what? Fuck it. The fascists are leftists and we're far right, because we're the ones who are actually right about things like reality.

                Plus it would be completely hilarious to watch happen as we flip the script on them and call them leftys.

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                • P [email protected]

                  Lemmy prefers Star Trek over Star Wars.

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                  But what about Star Gate?

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                  • paranoid@lemmy.worldP [email protected]

                    But what about Star Gate?

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                    Touché! I would argue 'Gate has better representation on Lemmy than 'Wars. "Would you not agree, Daniel Jackson?" /Teal'c

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                      I'm more a The Expanse type of person

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                      I’m more a The Expanse type of person

                      So say we all! Oh wait, that's a different one too...

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                        Lemmy is not neurotypical and it shows up with various discussions. Discussions here tend to assume autism or AuDHD as typical behavior, when it is only typical for the group of people assembled here.

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                        Also half of all lemmings are transgender. No idea why.

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                          .world is the right wing instance

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                          I'm on .world, and I'd happily throw all the billionaires into an industrial shredder.

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                          • M [email protected]

                            It's the same thing. It's about protesting against big companies that hurt workers and artists.

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                            Yes, exactly what I'm saying. People on the Fediverse hate AI more than they support piracy, because when there's a situation that involves both enabling piracy and helping AI they will side with the anti-piracy side in order to hurt the AI side. The Fediverse has more of an anti-AI bias than it has a pro-piracy bias.

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                              What do you think Lemmy is most biased about? Which opinions do you think differ most from the general internet?

                              (Excluding US politics, due to community rules)

                              Commonly mentioned biases:

                              Subject Mentions
                              Pro-Privacy 2
                              Left-Wing 9
                              Anti-Capitalism 5
                              American 5
                              Older 2
                              Pro-Linux 3
                              Tech people 5
                              Anti-Ai 4
                              Pro-LBTQ+ 3
                              Anti religion 3
                              Pro-Communism 3

                              Bonus: Gaming Biases

                              Subject Mentions
                              Nintendo hate 3
                              Pro-SteamDeck 1
                              Anti-GOG 1
                              PC over console 1
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                              Nintendo is worse than EA, Activision, Konami, Ubisoft, Epic, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, Twitter, Nestle, and the IDF combined.

                              There may be some things they do that annoy me, but there also a lot of things they do that I like, and I don't think they're anywhere near the worst in the industry right now. It is just so very tiring that it is seemingly impossible to discuss anything related to Nintendo at all without threads immediately devolving into a circlejerk about how much some of y'all hate anyone who dares to even enjoy their games.

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                              • facedeer@fedia.ioF [email protected]

                                Yes, exactly what I'm saying. People on the Fediverse hate AI more than they support piracy, because when there's a situation that involves both enabling piracy and helping AI they will side with the anti-piracy side in order to hurt the AI side. The Fediverse has more of an anti-AI bias than it has a pro-piracy bias.

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                                Hmm I still think we're saying different things. Enabling piracy for consumers and rejecting it for big business come from the same beliefs. It's not about piracy itself or hating AI more than liking piracy. It's not about piracy at all but who is allowed to use it. It's about content being controlled by the public, and not corporations. I think.

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                                  I'm on .world, and I'd happily throw all the billionaires into an industrial shredder.

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                                  Let the record note that Scott_of_the_Artic is an outlier and a comrade yet remains statistically a minority

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                                    Hmm I still think we're saying different things. Enabling piracy for consumers and rejecting it for big business come from the same beliefs. It's not about piracy itself or hating AI more than liking piracy. It's not about piracy at all but who is allowed to use it. It's about content being controlled by the public, and not corporations. I think.

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                                    It sounds to me like you're just saying why your support for piracy is limited in this case. You're saying "piracy's okay, but not when those companies use it for those reasons."

                                    Having rules about who is "allowed" to copy stuff and for what reasons is, in a nutshell, copyright law.

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                                      I'm on .world, and I'd happily throw all the billionaires into an industrial shredder.

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                                      You and me Scott! We'll take on the .world!

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                                      • P [email protected]

                                        I'm not sure I follow your logic. Those reasons you give are still hatred of AI because of those results (job loss, etc). How is that not hatred of AI?

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                                        I agree with Hawke, I think people are against the use of technology in such a way that it exploits workers and customers, not fundamentally against the technology itself.

                                        Basically like the Luddites - they smashed weaving looms, not because the technology was fundamentally bad, but because it was being used by capitalists to worsen working conditions and destroy livelihoods.

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                                        • P [email protected]

                                          It’s not hatred of AI there.

                                          I still disagree, but let me create another hypothetical example that may highlight where we might disagreement further:

                                          What if Deep Learning (not Gen AI) was used in missile guidance systems specifically to aim toward "people shaped targets"? Would the hate be for AI or just for missiles? If missiles is your answer, where is the distinction in your mind between that and the self-driving cars example?

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                                          GenAI being used in missile guidance makes zero sense - the technology is not applicable there, because you need precision and reliability. Normal AI, sure.

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