Me too, man
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They don't need to push everyone later, they just need to start the younger kids early, and the older kids later, which is the opposite of what most districts do now. Pre-teens have no problem getting up at 6AM.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Parents fight that because then they can't have the older kids take care of the younger kids when they get home from school.
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East Asian countries solve this by having the kids take public transit; just run a few extra buses and trains on the routes kids take, then you don't need dedicated vehicles that sit idle all day.
Not sure which ones you're talking about, but in Hong Kong, schoolchildren just walk to school. There's usually a school attached to each housing estate.
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Many African American slaves did not know they were slaves until about age 6, because they were not given work when too young to be useful. Sounds familiar...
Going to school is not comparable to literal slavery
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East Asian countries solve this by having the kids take public transit; just run a few extra buses and trains on the routes kids take, then you don't need dedicated vehicles that sit idle all day.
With trains all you have to do is add an extra passenger car or two for the peak times and keep the number of trains running the same. You could also increase frequency during peak times if you have the track, train and driver availability to do that
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Started 7:15, lived an hour by bus away so I woke up at 5:10. Bus was at 5:36. That was some uphill both ways shit for me. We did have weekly intermittent afternoon and morning schedules though. So one week we'd start at 7:15 and one week it started at like 2PM. Afternoon weeks were nice when I'd come home at like 9 or 10PM.
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Generally, I don't think that applies to high schoolers. They can manage themselves in the morning. We should have their school start last
America also has some deep structural issues that children aren't able to get to school by themselves. In Japan, grade school children are able to get to and from school by themselves in most of the country. In America, parents aren't allowed to leave children unattended, and certainly aren't allowed to let them go to school alone
Yea missed the part about high school but those time schedules pretty much sum up my primary school times as well, hence why the reply. high school is a bit of a grey area depending on the country, I agree.
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Schools - and some businesses - see getting up early as some kind of achievement, a trait to be proud of. A thought that was mirrored in the influencer scene with the insane 'grindset' videos. Get up early and get done more than the others... Completely ignoring that the amount of sleep we need doesn't change with how early you get up.
Some people get up early and have no problem with that, but that's not the case for everyone. In the dawn of time, it was better to have some people who get up early and some who prefer to stay up late: that way the tribe was better protected because the time where everyone was sleeping was minimized.
Now everyone who biologically tends to be more productive when they can work late and get up late is painted as lazy and forced to work against their inner clock.
At one workplace we had 2 sysadmins, one who takes sleeping pills at 7, is up at 5am and would make sure everything is up and running before anyone has even thought about going into the office, and another who stays up late and sleeps in. The end result was really good out of hours coverage for emergencies.
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East Asian countries solve this by having the kids take public transit; just run a few extra buses and trains on the routes kids take, then you don't need dedicated vehicles that sit idle all day.
I think los angeles does this too, now.
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Schools near me have shifted high school start times to later. Its been that was for years now.
It is really weird to see it in mainstream news now, and even RFK is for it (that fucking weirdo).
I thought letting teens sleep in late was blue state woke and would never be nationwide.
Fox news found a Hypnotist that said teens should sleep later. A hypnotist... really fox? Even when they are right they are still stupid fucks.
Fox news found a Hypnotist that said teens should sleep later
Probably just the only "expert" in their rollodex who answered and said they were available
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Started 7:15, lived an hour by bus away so I woke up at 5:10. Bus was at 5:36. That was some uphill both ways shit for me. We did have weekly intermittent afternoon and morning schedules though. So one week we'd start at 7:15 and one week it started at like 2PM. Afternoon weeks were nice when I'd come home at like 9 or 10PM.
Sounds like that would make it impossible to maintain a consistent sleep schedule, which is also helpful.
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With trains all you have to do is add an extra passenger car or two for the peak times and keep the number of trains running the same. You could also increase frequency during peak times if you have the track, train and driver availability to do that
I dunno, that sounds like socialism.
Good thing we were saved from the horrors of broadly accessible and efficient mass transit decades ago.
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And god forbid your circadian rhythm doesn't align and you fall asleep in class.
You can get referred for a drug test because only high people fall asleep during the day.
I had a friend trauma & sleep psychology profesor visiting; she said improvement of school performance with better scheduling was proven in few real life (cross-sectional?) studies.
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I dunno, that sounds like socialism.
Good thing we were saved from the horrors of broadly accessible and efficient mass transit decades ago.
Could you imagine how dangerous mass transit would be if it was full of middle schoolers, calling out your biggest insecurities, while you’re just trying to get to work? John Mulaney educated us on the danger of them years ago.
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the timings for school and its length were not dictated by health needs nor education needs.
it was chosen to match parents work schedule, and to aclimatize children to factory work.
so its not out of ignorance of the childs well-being, but indifference to it
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I think los angeles does this too, now.
You get a free pass as a student, but public transport in most of LA still requires a (relatively) long walk. Depending on where you live, might be a deal breaker.
It is much cleaner/safer than most people think though.
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Not sure which ones you're talking about, but in Hong Kong, schoolchildren just walk to school. There's usually a school attached to each housing estate.
Japan, Korea, mainland China
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You get a free pass as a student, but public transport in most of LA still requires a (relatively) long walk. Depending on where you live, might be a deal breaker.
It is much cleaner/safer than most people think though.
long walk
Really? Not my experience.
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I understand that studies have been done and show that early start times hurt some student performance. I'm not contesting that is true for many, but it didn't seem to affect me or my friends.
We all played sports so we had 6:15 start times for morning practice or workouts. I lived about 3 miles from my high school (and even further from my middle school, which also had morning workouts), and was responsible for getting myself there. I rode my bike, or skated, with my sports equipment 4 or 5 days a week.
Class from 8 to 3:30, then afternoon practice or competitions until about 6:15. This required me to make and bring two meals to school. I was rarely home before 7:15, so that's a 13 hour day at school Mon-Fri, then homework. On weekends I played club sports and found time to socialize. Thankfully I didn't have to work during the school year until I found a internship at the end of my senior year.
I had all AP or honors classes, so academics weren't exactly easy, but I got good grades, as did my friend group.
Was it easy? No. Did I have fun and enjoy my time? Hell yeah. My days were full, we didn't have time for video games, and social media didn't exist.
I'm lucky that I had supportive parents and a stable home life. They paid the bills and made sure there was food in the fridge, but I was expected to do everything else on my own.
I'm certain that experience made me who I am today, mostly responsible, productive, and confident I can handle whatever this crazy world comes up with. Stuff doesn't always go my way, but I'm prepared mentally and emotionally to deal with it.
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Going to school is not comparable to literal slavery
What happens if you just don't go?
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What happens if you just don't go?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Being the literal property of another human being is not the same as a mandatory education. Also before you ask having to listen to your parents as a kid also is not comparable to slavery.
But to answer your question the parents get in trouble for it
