Me too, man
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I don’t understand how going to bed early is a problem.
My high school started at 0800hrs. I had to be up by 0630hrs to catch the bus at 0715hrs, and it was a 15-minute walk to get to it. I went to bed some time between 2130hrs and 2230hrs almost every night like clockwork.
Did I get 10hrs of sleep? No. But the ≈8hrs I did get was enough to ensure I was awake and coherent in the morning.
If kids are tired in the morning, what’s stopping them from going to bed earlier? I was never forced to do so. I just did, because I was getting tired shortly after 2100hrs. I listened to my body.
There's tired, and then there's sleepy. For me, if I'm not sleepy, there's about a 5% chance I will be able to fall asleep upon going to bed. I remember plenty of nights in high school going to bed "early" around 10pm, and sure enough I'm still awake at 2am. So first off there's ability to sleep when needed.
Second, the modern perspective contains a lot of blue light in daily lives that prevents melatonin secretion. Few kids have the self control and presence of mind to properly regulate their screen time at night, even if just from TV, not to mention phones.
Realistically just with the second point, the cards are stacked against them.
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It's not the parent's fault the media has made them terrified of everything that they can't let their kids just go around the neighborhood while they're at work.
yes, but if they're afraid of that they shouldn't be having their other kids watch over their younger ones
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Could've gone to bed earlier.
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yes, but if they're afraid of that they shouldn't be having their other kids watch over their younger ones
What's the alternative?
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it was chosen to match parents work schedule
I can't find a good source, but from what I've seen its actually student work schedules that dictate school start times.
Elementary and Middle Schools tend to start much later in the day (in part to conserve buses). But local Chambers of Commerce and Rotary Club groups will often lobby for earlier high school start times so that students are out of school in time for a 5pm work shift.
In some countries the school start at 6.30 AM so that parents can take their children to school before they start work at 8 AM.
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https://doi.org/10.1038/s41582-025-01106-6
Abstract: "Aspects of modern society, such as artificial lighting and rigid schedules, create ‘social jetlag’ — a mismatch between biological chronotypes and societal demands. This circadian misalignment particularly affects evening chronotypes, leading to sleep deprivation, mental health issues and physical disorders. Flexible schedules and environmental modifications could restore natural sleep patterns and improve well-being."
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Could've gone to bed earlier.
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But then I would have to work until 8pm. That sounds horrible.
wrote last edited by [email protected]7pm if you take an hour lunch, 6pm if you don't take a lunch.
I've worked a 10-7 shift before. Some people hated it, but I actually loved it. I got to stay up every night to a reasonable 12-1, okay videogames with friends, slept until a nice morning, woke up and drove to work. It was by far the best work shift time I've ever had. It also helped that I lived 3 minutes away, so I would literally wake up at like 9, sss, then drive to work. Saved so much gas at that job hahaha. I'd fill up my Corolla like once a month as long as I didn't visit friends too much. And I was in an apartment with underground parking, so the uv damage to my car was like nothing.
The only downside is you don't get to do errands during the week. Which.... If you plan very very well isn't an issue, but more often than not was an issue.
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I mean I didn't do that either when I was a kid but it was my own fault because I definitely could've hah. Still guilty of staying up way too long occasionally.
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Could've gone to bed earlier.
Just dodge bro.
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Just dodge bro.
Skill issue
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There's tired, and then there's sleepy. For me, if I'm not sleepy, there's about a 5% chance I will be able to fall asleep upon going to bed. I remember plenty of nights in high school going to bed "early" around 10pm, and sure enough I'm still awake at 2am. So first off there's ability to sleep when needed.
Second, the modern perspective contains a lot of blue light in daily lives that prevents melatonin secretion. Few kids have the self control and presence of mind to properly regulate their screen time at night, even if just from TV, not to mention phones.
Realistically just with the second point, the cards are stacked against them.
The parents and their sleep hygiene play a huge role in this. My parents always went to bed around 22h30 and I had my bedtime routine as well. Sleep hygiene was taught to me from a very young age. Turn off screens, brush my teeth, go into bed, read a bit or play with my plush animals. I always slept within minutes.
Structure and consistency is so important to a healthy sleep schedule. Now I can sleep at any time virtually anywhere. It's awesome
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abductions are as likely to be by family members as not.
So if it is family members, it really doesn't matter if they are out and about does it?
Can we take a minute to say how something is very fucked up in Texas? People have talked about his before here. Texas is a fucked up state for children. 54 Amber alerts in Texas in 2024. California, Ohio, and North Carolina have the bulk of the rest, but they are like 15 and 16, not 54!
Remember I said Teens. So looking at Amber alerts as a statistic: the VAST bulk of the kids are 0 - 6 years old. For teens (ages 15-17+) there were only 12.
So have you compared the teen rate over time?
So if it is family members, it really doesn't matter if they are out and about does it?
But yeah, it does, because it's usually some estranged family member, grabbing the kid while they're out. It's not who's grabbing them, it's where.
Yeah, Texas is fucked up, in a great many ways. No argument there. It's interesting reading, isn't it?
No, I haven't done an age breakdown. Getting more specific statistics, or culling them out of larger reports is more work than I care to invest in this.
Yes, you have a point about teens. 14 was "young adult" for ages; I'm not always convinced pushing it to 18 has been a wise thing. I kind of think having rites of passage and some more clear interstitial period where we recognize teens as "not children" would result in healthier teens.
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I mean I didn't do that either when I was a kid but it was my own fault because I definitely could've hah. Still guilty of staying up way too long occasionally.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Idk, I think society has an unhealthy view of "Could've". It's the whole crazy aspect of personal responsibilities and guilt while letting the world continue to plunder and corrupt society (like the recycling program pushes or in this case making it too difficult for children to sleep).
You didn't sleep healthily, so why do you think you could've? Sure, one night you could change it up, but repeated possitve behavioral pattern changes as a youth? Very unlikely
Children have known risk/reward problems. Society demands you stay up and communicate with your peers, also demands we are interesting and have things we are interested in and spend time on. Everyone else stayed up and played/watched this thing so you're left out if you don't. You literally spent all day at school, homework, destressing after you get home, house responsibilities, meals, you would only have time left to go to bed. A young mind isn't going to just resolve to getting that sleep without some irresponsible fun to be had (even staying up reading a favorite book would fall into this category so not something unrealistic for all of us to do).
I don't wish to downplay it, but reminds me of the confusion some people have around depression. Yes, this person could totally change their life with some actions, that doesn't get rid of the mental aspect and only pushes it further down the road. You need supporting infrastructure, routines, and allies to work on making changes. Doesn't just come from "doing" and all.
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The parents and their sleep hygiene play a huge role in this. My parents always went to bed around 22h30 and I had my bedtime routine as well. Sleep hygiene was taught to me from a very young age. Turn off screens, brush my teeth, go into bed, read a bit or play with my plush animals. I always slept within minutes.
Structure and consistency is so important to a healthy sleep schedule. Now I can sleep at any time virtually anywhere. It's awesome
wrote last edited by [email protected]Now I can sleep at any time virtually anywhere.
just to chime in, I have the polar opposite of your experience and still can zonk out in 5 mins any time I like. The only consistent thing is that I get a minimum of 6 hours of sleep a night, but my smartwatch still gives me sleep ratings in the high 80s and low 90s almost every night. No idea if this is in any way scientific but people on Reddit seem to value it.
I also am registered as having the stress of a puddle, similarly.
For most people, I think it is more to do with genetics rather than any real habits. I think all you really need to do is make your bedroom completely dark and slightly cold, and exercise a couple of times a week.
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Idk, I think society has an unhealthy view of "Could've". It's the whole crazy aspect of personal responsibilities and guilt while letting the world continue to plunder and corrupt society (like the recycling program pushes or in this case making it too difficult for children to sleep).
You didn't sleep healthily, so why do you think you could've? Sure, one night you could change it up, but repeated possitve behavioral pattern changes as a youth? Very unlikely
Children have known risk/reward problems. Society demands you stay up and communicate with your peers, also demands we are interesting and have things we are interested in and spend time on. Everyone else stayed up and played/watched this thing so you're left out if you don't. You literally spent all day at school, homework, destressing after you get home, house responsibilities, meals, you would only have time left to go to bed. A young mind isn't going to just resolve to getting that sleep without some irresponsible fun to be had (even staying up reading a favorite book would fall into this category so not something unrealistic for all of us to do).
I don't wish to downplay it, but reminds me of the confusion some people have around depression. Yes, this person could totally change their life with some actions, that doesn't get rid of the mental aspect and only pushes it further down the road. You need supporting infrastructure, routines, and allies to work on making changes. Doesn't just come from "doing" and all.
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I mean parents do play a role in it, they should at least try harder to make kids go to bed earlier and prevent using devices all through the night. Kids aren't great at making responsible decisions but that's what parents are for.
Or we consider them capable enough and then really are responsible for those decisions, can't really complain about early mornings being abuse if they've made their own decision to stay up too late.
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What's the alternative?
hiring a babysitter
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hiring a babysitter
All the highschoolers are at school, the people left over are expensive.
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All the highschoolers are at school, the people left over are expensive.
maybe they should have thought about it before getting a small human
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maybe they should have thought about it before getting a small human
So your take is that only wealthy people should reproduce?
