Me too, man
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I don't know about your German (har har), but I'm not very confident in what my Garmin or any fitness watch detects on sleep. I got a Garmin to replace my FitBit, wore them both for a while, and saw they didn't have much consensus on sleep data.
Thanks for the insight.
Yeah I more took issue with OP saying REM sleep, after a quick search it seems sleep might be in blocks of 90 minutes with REM coming at the end of the each block, and less that REM sleep is that long.
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I don't have a German that would track my sleep
They’re all the rage, if you can get a mute one then it’s better otherwise they keep banging on about fair wages and sleep breaks
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Nothing lowkey about it. Shit's fucked up.
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I remember in high school we had before school weight lifting which started so early. So start with that, do a full day of class, after school sports and then homework before doing it again. Pretty crazy how many things were crammed in a day.
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Well after a cursory look online it seems OP was talking incorrectly.
Studies show that sleep itself is segmented in 90 minute blocks with REM coming at the end. Rather than the REM section being 90 minutes.
Also OP is claiming you’ll feel rested, which is completely different than actually being rested.
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The real reason is to accomodate for parents' routines. You need the kid in a place where someone can watch them for you by the time you leave for work (or not long after). Plus yeah they gotta learn to follow schedules and have responsibilities and such. Not saying I think it's a perfect system, I too hated getting off bed early in the morning.
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The real reason is to accomodate for parents' routines. You need the kid in a place where someone can watch them for you by the time you leave for work (or not long after). Plus yeah they gotta learn to follow schedules and have responsibilities and such. Not saying I think it's a perfect system, I too hated getting off bed early in the morning.
i disagree. my elementary school started later and thats the age when parents really need to be more present. and as a kid i had no issue getting up early vs as a teen. they should just flip it. teens on a bus route, or hell even witj friends with a car, are way more capable of getting themselves to school
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Yep, exactly.
Almost 30 years now we've known that shifting around the school schedule by roughly a max of 2 hours would result in significantly improved learning across the board, for basically 0 cost... and we don't do it.
America is a scam.
School is conditioning for work. They need you sleep-deprived because if you have any extra energy you might use it to analyze your situation and attempt to improve it.
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I was an incredibly angsty teenager, mad at the world and hostile to just about everyone by default. Apathetic, grumpy, and uninterested in physical activity or the things I liked as a preteen.
After having a baby and getting very little sleep for 6 months I recognized some of my old patterns. Turns out, it wasn't just part of being a teen, I was chronically sleep deprived. I was up at 6am most days back then, when I would sleep until 1pm on weekends. I think a lot of teens are unfairly characterized as angry and defiant when they're operating on half or a quarter of the sleep they need.
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It's nuts to me that American schools start so early. Ours had first bell around 8:30. By high school is was closer to nine.
My kids start school at 8:20 and I was amazed how late American school starts (and inconvenient for working parents). My school started at 7:30 when I was their age in Eastern Europe.
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for years my mom forced us to go.to bed at 8pm ( I only.rebel.when I was about 12). All my childhood. Mind you we didn't had phones so we would be there on the bed in the dark THINKING. And that's why I have anxiety.
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My high school and middle school (they were right next to each other and shared buses) started at 7:15 AM, half the year it was dark when the bus picked us up and we lived in the far south where days didn't get super short. It was bullshit then and it is bullshit now. It was nice to get out of school before 2PM I guess.
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For what it's worth my health class consisted in no small part of a lady from the administrative office who may or may not of even been qualified as a teacher peddling her shit-ass politics.
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Just go to bed at 8pm.
Teens' circadian rhythm doesn't let them get tired before 10pm.
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When I was able to drive to school I stopped showing up on time and just went in when I was done sleeping and getting ready at my own pace.
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The real reason is to accomodate for parents' routines. You need the kid in a place where someone can watch them for you by the time you leave for work (or not long after). Plus yeah they gotta learn to follow schedules and have responsibilities and such. Not saying I think it's a perfect system, I too hated getting off bed early in the morning.
wrote last edited by [email protected]That makes sense for small kids, but teenagers shouldn’t need an adult holding their hand to the bus stop.
I suspect the real reason some high schools start stupid-early is to make time in the afternoon to accommodate jobs or extracurricular activities. My high school started even earlier than OP’s and kids in other schools would tell me, “At least you get out earlier.” Yeah, I would get out at 1:55 and (if I didn’t have a club or band practice) I’d be so exhausted that I’d promptly go home to nap for several hours. What I would’ve given for a saner schedule.
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I was an incredibly angsty teenager, mad at the world and hostile to just about everyone by default. Apathetic, grumpy, and uninterested in physical activity or the things I liked as a preteen.
After having a baby and getting very little sleep for 6 months I recognized some of my old patterns. Turns out, it wasn't just part of being a teen, I was chronically sleep deprived. I was up at 6am most days back then, when I would sleep until 1pm on weekends. I think a lot of teens are unfairly characterized as angry and defiant when they're operating on half or a quarter of the sleep they need.
Ah yes, I remember those accusations of grumpiness. It’s the classic “MY issues are because of the circumstances around me. YOUR issues are because that’s just who you are.” The lack of empathy so many adults express is truly concerning.
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The real reason is to accomodate for parents' routines. You need the kid in a place where someone can watch them for you by the time you leave for work (or not long after). Plus yeah they gotta learn to follow schedules and have responsibilities and such. Not saying I think it's a perfect system, I too hated getting off bed early in the morning.
The problem is that this schedule is literally unhealthy for them. Like, actual health outcome in the long run bad for them. Its fucked up and "parent needs daycare" & "learning schedules and responsibilities" is a terrible justification.
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i disagree. my elementary school started later and thats the age when parents really need to be more present. and as a kid i had no issue getting up early vs as a teen. they should just flip it. teens on a bus route, or hell even witj friends with a car, are way more capable of getting themselves to school
"Should" is doing some heavy lifting here.
Sleep patterns start changing around puberty. Young kids tend to get up earlier, naturally; teenage biorhythms are tuned to stay up later, and sleep late.
But we don't have a society where it's safe to let teens run around by themselves, except for some rural communities, so schedules are based - as GP says - around parent's schedules. And because of workplace demands, whether it's a reasonable requirement because the job demands an in-person presence like the service sector, or because of idiotic, arbitrary in-office policies, that usually means parents need to have their kids in school before 8, or 8:30 if they're lucky, so they can be at their desks by the standard 9am.
Little kids, this is less of an issue, but it really fucks with teenager's biorhythms, because they're designed to be sleeping until 10 and going to sleep at midnight at that age.
There's a ton of studies about this, and there's been a lot of work by K-12 to figure out how to accommodate a balance; and some companies even have policies allowing for flex time to help, but on average - as usual - Corporate America fucks it up.
