Jewish father attacked by mob at Italian service station
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People will tend to vent their frustrations where they are. They aren't buying tickets to Palestine to fight the Israelis against genocide and famine there.
wrote last edited by [email protected]No. "People" won't do that. F-ing racists do that and you are defending them.
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No. "People" won't do that. F-ing racists do that and you are defending them.
This incident likely would not have happened without Israel's actions against the Palestinian people. By totally ignoring that, you seem to be defending famine and genocide. Right?
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I get that being against Israel's actions in Gaza and the West Bank is not in itself anti-Semitism. That's clear. Lots of people in these communities like to emphasize the point that being Jewish and supporting Israel's actions are not the same thing.
Then something like this happens, and the mask comes off. People in this community think this man has some duty to fix the Palestinian crisis before he can expect to walk around in Italy with a kippah on.
Conflating Jewish people with the action in Gaza is anti-Semitic. Don't bullshit us on other threads how you're focused only on Zionism if you're not going to condemn this here. And spare us the "I don't condone it, but I understand it" crap too. You understand a racist mindset too well.
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As an American Ashkenazi Jew i have very little sympathy for my people left.
Almost every act of "antisemitism" i see is an attack against someone who is supporting the Gaza genocide.
Also the IDF is using American tax dollars to spam social media to conflate antisemitism with antizionism
Any moral Jewish person left needs to be condemning Isreal and Zionism.
Edit: oh wow this one wasn't a Zionist. Hopefully Netanyahu is shot soon so things like this stop happening.
I remember when Arab Americans objected that it wasn't their responsibility to condemn terrorist attacks every time they happened, since they personally had nothing to do with them and were only connected by race or religion with the perpetrators.
They were right.
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So what? Does the family have Israeli citizenship? If not, what is your argument? They might one day become Israelis so it's ok to attack them today?
And even if they are Israelis, how do you and the racists know what the families stance on the the matter is? Is a leftist Israeli that opposes his government and their action guilty just because he was born?
The assailants condemed them for their heritage, Because their heritage is all they knew about them. That is the textbook definition of racism.
wrote last edited by [email protected]No of course it doesn't justify violence. My point is that unless they have explicitly renounced Zionism it is reasonable to assume that they support Israel.
Israel has completely and deliberately ensconced itself in Jewish identity such that religion and ideology are largely inseparable.
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I thought that the headline was talking about the mafia for a second, there.
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As an American Ashkenazi Jew i have very little sympathy for my people left.
Almost every act of "antisemitism" i see is an attack against someone who is supporting the Gaza genocide.
Also the IDF is using American tax dollars to spam social media to conflate antisemitism with antizionism
Any moral Jewish person left needs to be condemning Isreal and Zionism.
Edit: oh wow this one wasn't a Zionist. Hopefully Netanyahu is shot soon so things like this stop happening.
Edit: oh wow this one wasn't a Zionist. Hopefully Netanyahu is shot soon so things like this stop happening.
This goes a lot deeper than Netanyahu, and frankly not much will change if he dies tomorrow.
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Edit: oh wow this one wasn't a Zionist. Hopefully Netanyahu is shot soon so things like this stop happening.
This goes a lot deeper than Netanyahu, and frankly not much will change if he dies tomorrow.
I think if Israelis shot their genocidal leaders they wouldn't be able to commit genocide.
Probably a lot more memebers of the Zionist party would have to be shot before the genocide stopped tho.
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No of course it doesn't justify violence. My point is that unless they have explicitly renounced Zionism it is reasonable to assume that they support Israel.
Israel has completely and deliberately ensconced itself in Jewish identity such that religion and ideology are largely inseparable.
it is reasonable to assume that they support Israel.
Okay two things:
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Even then, attacking people for what you assume they think is nothing short of mob terror and morally reprehensible. What evidence do you have of his wrongdoing?
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You have no idea if they did denounce Zionism previously. Maybe they did on social media or to their friends and family or whatever, or maybe they didn't to avoid backlash. You know nothing about this person except that they got attacked at a gas station for wearing a kippah and you're going on about Zionism. Like, take a look in the fucking mirror because what you're pushing is getting dangerously close to Jewish collective guilt. I have a burning and more than a little bloodthirsty hatred for Zionism and Zionists, but let's not get our shit mixed up okay? Just because the status quo is bad doesn't mean that a repeat of this would be good, so stop playing into Zionists' hand with this nonsense.
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I remember when Arab Americans objected that it wasn't their responsibility to condemn terrorist attacks every time they happened, since they personally had nothing to do with them and were only connected by race or religion with the perpetrators.
They were right.
Yet the actions of a few individuals resulted in racist attacks against the entire race.
Sadly all Jews can do right now to not get targeted is make it very clear they don't support the Zionists and their genocide.
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This story seems extremely fishy to me. This guy is claiming that an entire group of strangers including transit employees just lost their minds and grouped together to violently assault him at the mere sight of a kippah? That seems extremely implausible and reminds me of the other recent incidents where Israeli men were running around a neighborhood assaulting people and making death threats toward residents before the residents turned on them. The media just reported it as "Jewish men attacked for being Jewish" before the real story came out days later.
If the situation were really this bad in Milan, this would be more that just a single incident against one individual.
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Shit, how about every Asian during covid for a recent example.
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Shit, how about every Asian during covid for a recent example.
They should have vocally and regularly denounced exotic wet markets and gain of function viral experiments everywhere they went.
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This story seems extremely fishy to me. This guy is claiming that an entire group of strangers including transit employees just lost their minds and grouped together to violently assault him at the mere sight of a kippah? That seems extremely implausible and reminds me of the other recent incidents where Israeli men were running around a neighborhood assaulting people and making death threats toward residents before the residents turned on them. The media just reported it as "Jewish men attacked for being Jewish" before the real story came out days later.
If the situation were really this bad in Milan, this would be more that just a single incident against one individual.
And simultaneously, they should have expected it and certainly understand why it happened, if it did.
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They should have vocally and regularly denounced exotic wet markets and gain of function viral experiments everywhere they went.
"If someone is holding a bat in one hand and a duck in the other, they are a terrorist"
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Israelis are largely from Europe and the US and many have dual nationalities. A French citizen can also be an Israeli and even if thats not the case here, Israel has generous citizenship laws for Jews so it's trivial for them to make Aliyah and obtain an Israeli passport.
Most Israelis are Mizrahi Jews without any connection to Europe
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Commenting on the incident, Noemi Di Segni, the president of the Union of Italian Jewish Communities, said: “If simply being visibly Jewish is enough to provoke such a violent attack – if a family cannot safely move through public spaces in this country – then the legitimisation of hatred and antisemitism has become viral. This is about everyone’s freedom being at risk. Holding on to respect and dignity for every person is the only path that protects us all.”
Yah, well let us start with Palestine and the Palestinian people, Noemi. These incidences are purely perpetuated by Israel's actions. This statement shows zero self-awareness of the plight Israel is causing in the world.
Two things can be wrong at the same time.
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Most Israelis are Mizrahi Jews without any connection to Europe
wrote last edited by [email protected]Many if not most Israeli Jews are Ashkenazi, particularly Eastern Europe. The original Zionists and settler colonists were almost exclusively from Europe.
Also "Mizrahi" are Arab Jews whose identity has been stripped by Zionism. Avi Shlaim writes a lot about this in his book Three Worlds: Memoirs of an Arab-Jew.
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it is reasonable to assume that they support Israel.
Okay two things:
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Even then, attacking people for what you assume they think is nothing short of mob terror and morally reprehensible. What evidence do you have of his wrongdoing?
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You have no idea if they did denounce Zionism previously. Maybe they did on social media or to their friends and family or whatever, or maybe they didn't to avoid backlash. You know nothing about this person except that they got attacked at a gas station for wearing a kippah and you're going on about Zionism. Like, take a look in the fucking mirror because what you're pushing is getting dangerously close to Jewish collective guilt. I have a burning and more than a little bloodthirsty hatred for Zionism and Zionists, but let's not get our shit mixed up okay? Just because the status quo is bad doesn't mean that a repeat of this would be good, so stop playing into Zionists' hand with this nonsense.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You make good points and I see you're arguing in good faith.
I'm just weary of Zionist propaganda that paints any attack on Jews as 1938 rebooted. Im thinking specifically of the football match with Maccabi thugs in Amsterdam last year that was spun by Western Corporate media as Kristallnacht 2.0.
Or the demonisation of Bob Vylan for chanting "death to the IDF"
Zionists love to weaponise these as evidence of a global antisemitism surge which helps to silence voices against the genocide and encourage Israel to literally get away with murder.
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And simultaneously, they should have expected it and certainly understand why it happened, if it did.
I don't know why anyone should expect to be attacked for the war crimes committed by a country they have nothing to do with.
Same thing happened at a concert here the other night:
Just because someone is Jewish doesn't mean they have a god damned thing to do with Israel and Gaza. We saw the same bullshit after 9/11 with people attacking Muslims (or people they thought were Muslims).
