What should be done with the unemployable people?
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In theory, the rich can just continue paying off each other spending money on rich people stuff. 80% of the economy consisting of activities like robot-staffed billionaire-owned construction companies making and selling super-yachts to oil billionaires, who made their fortune selling fuel to space tourism companies ferrying billionaire designer bag heiresses to the Moon. The rest of us can starve to death and the economy won't even blink.
Your statement is mostly false, despite your valid examples. Wealth/income requires people/consumers. Phones/computers are cheap because billions can afford it. Food profits is a function of people. Autos definitely require scale, that is far more efficient than a humanoid robot doing flexible "manual" labour.
At the same time, however, not requiring slaves does motivate genocide instead of just sharing wealth with the slaves. It's better to exterminate humanity than to deal with slave class uppitiness.
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If you're a sociopath, let them suffer and die slowly, homeless.
If you're not a sociopath, and decent, tax the rich and give them a good UBI so they can play and do art or music or video games or what the hell ever.
Easy peasy lemon squeezy.
Suffer and die slowly? Where's the profit in that? Now organ farms, THERES a moneymaker!
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What's if we look at it like a lottery,
If the job you go into as a trained professional is automated away after 10 years in industry, your wage is covered for the rest of your life by the company that replaced you.
Plenty of problems here with my idea, but it's a great solution if the kinks are worked out.
There is no world in which legislation will pass mandating companies pay you your salary for the rest of your life for simply replacing your role with automation/AI/etc lol. And if they somehow pulled off that miracle, lobbyists would just get them to change the definition of what it means to “replace someone with automation.”
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It's basically that or communism. Nothing else deals halfway serviceably with a large population of people who can't be employed.
Like govt is obliged to give you a job?
Communism has never worked, and if we automate away most jobs, the whole idea it's founded on becomes obsolete.
Or do you have some kind of "futuristic communism" idea?
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I started to notice a intense automation and Artificial Intelligence Investments from companies and that made me wonder, what would happen or what should be done with the people who can't be trained for a new job and can't use his current skills to to get a job.
How would he live or what would he do in life? More importantly, what should be done with him to make him useful or at least neutral rather than being a negative on the society?
Unemployed people are not a negative on society. People don't have to be employed. That's a capitalist misconception.
Assholes are a negative on society. They actively reduce the experience for everyone else. Even productive assholes are a negative on society.
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I started to notice a intense automation and Artificial Intelligence Investments from companies and that made me wonder, what would happen or what should be done with the people who can't be trained for a new job and can't use his current skills to to get a job.
How would he live or what would he do in life? More importantly, what should be done with him to make him useful or at least neutral rather than being a negative on the society?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Take out back and sh--
--own a great time with a BBQ cookout and given a big plate of delicious food while friends brainstorm how to help get them back on their feet!
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Like govt is obliged to give you a job?
Communism has never worked, and if we automate away most jobs, the whole idea it's founded on becomes obsolete.
Or do you have some kind of "futuristic communism" idea?
You should look up what actual communists think instead of listening to capitalist propaganda on what communists think. In short, communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless society. The best well-known analogy is the Federation from Star Trek: The Next Generation.
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If you make them comfortable how do you recruit people for the army?
Make federal service required for anyone to obtain "full citizenship".
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I started to notice a intense automation and Artificial Intelligence Investments from companies and that made me wonder, what would happen or what should be done with the people who can't be trained for a new job and can't use his current skills to to get a job.
How would he live or what would he do in life? More importantly, what should be done with him to make him useful or at least neutral rather than being a negative on the society?
Basic Income.
Now someone always has to ask how to pay for it.
Years ago a study was done about basic income in Canada. It was determined that the country would save billions by discontinuing most of the government handouts (there was 60+ at the time) and replacing those with a single payment. Consider how many offices are in each major city for welfare, employment insurance, etc. Save money with reduced wages, rent, power, insurance, so on and so forth.
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Unemployed people are not a negative on society. People don't have to be employed. That's a capitalist misconception.
Assholes are a negative on society. They actively reduce the experience for everyone else. Even productive assholes are a negative on society.
I prefer someone who gets shit done and changes the world for the better while being impolite to courteous inhibitors of progress.
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You raise far more tax revenue able to redistribute as freedom dividends by incentivizing those who can earn $1m/hour to put in more hours.
You're missing the point, the objective of that is not to collect more tax, objective is to desincentivise greed by making it kinda pointless beyond certain level.
Also once most of the basic stuff is free I wonder how many people will settle for less pay and less hours. So more jobs would be available.
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Ignoring the odd idea that this hypothetical person is somehow completely unemployable regardless of industry or upskilling, why do you assume that that immediately makes them a negative to society? Is a person's entire value predicated on their ability to earn money?
Not OP, but it can be very detrimental to people's mental health if they don't have a role in society. Not a job, but a purpose where their labor provides a benefit to others, like being a caregiver or volunteer. Depression is commonly cited among those who are unemployed, on disability, or recently retired.
You are also going to see a lot of classism surrounding UBI. After all, I can see a lot of people who are able to work becoming bitter at a portion of society that don't need to work.
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Basic Income.
Now someone always has to ask how to pay for it.
Years ago a study was done about basic income in Canada. It was determined that the country would save billions by discontinuing most of the government handouts (there was 60+ at the time) and replacing those with a single payment. Consider how many offices are in each major city for welfare, employment insurance, etc. Save money with reduced wages, rent, power, insurance, so on and so forth.
Statistics backing the value of socialism.
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I prefer someone who gets shit done and changes the world for the better while being impolite to courteous inhibitors of progress.
I don't trust competent assholes. They're less likely to consider they're wrong. So when they do fuck up, they fuck up hard and refuse to listen.
Source: I work in IT and see it all the time
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I don't trust competent assholes. They're less likely to consider they're wrong. So when they do fuck up, they fuck up hard and refuse to listen.
Source: I work in IT and see it all the time
also competent assholes are less likely to change the world for the better
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You should look up what actual communists think instead of listening to capitalist propaganda on what communists think. In short, communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless society. The best well-known analogy is the Federation from Star Trek: The Next Generation.
Lol go read some Marx instead of inventing some morally okay dream flavour of authorianism lol.
"Look up what actual communists think"
I don't even know where to start with that one, I guess the "right" communists "think" like you? And the "wrong" communists doesn't?
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I started to notice a intense automation and Artificial Intelligence Investments from companies and that made me wonder, what would happen or what should be done with the people who can't be trained for a new job and can't use his current skills to to get a job.
How would he live or what would he do in life? More importantly, what should be done with him to make him useful or at least neutral rather than being a negative on the society?
High-protein slurry.
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I started to notice a intense automation and Artificial Intelligence Investments from companies and that made me wonder, what would happen or what should be done with the people who can't be trained for a new job and can't use his current skills to to get a job.
How would he live or what would he do in life? More importantly, what should be done with him to make him useful or at least neutral rather than being a negative on the society?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Build indexes on countries and allow the public to rate their accuracy based on how well they care for their elderly, children, temporarily and chronically sick, prisoners, minorities and social outsiders, etc comparing lifespan and medical outcomes and then shove it into politicians faces every time they try to talk to anyone with a microphone while also boycotting their own PR attempts. I want those old fashion press passes sticking out of hats but with the country's rating and who is better. Or just go with some form of UBI.
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Not OP, but it can be very detrimental to people's mental health if they don't have a role in society. Not a job, but a purpose where their labor provides a benefit to others, like being a caregiver or volunteer. Depression is commonly cited among those who are unemployed, on disability, or recently retired.
You are also going to see a lot of classism surrounding UBI. After all, I can see a lot of people who are able to work becoming bitter at a portion of society that don't need to work.
The thing is, if working isn't tied to capitalism, then it's actually easier to find work because you don't have to worry only about what provides enough money to survive. Someone "unemployable" may be perfectly suited to be a caregiver, artist, odd-jobber, or anything else that would not be able to financially sustain them because of low pay or a limitation on the hours they are able to work. I think UBI would lead to more societal engagement, not less, because people would be able to choose how they engage without worrying about whether it would pay the rent.
To your second point, I'm not sure I understand. If it's a universal basic income, does that not mean that everyone has their basic needs met? Those who would like more than that and have the capacity to do so could still seek higher paying jobs in order to have the lifestyle they want above and beyond basic needs. Why would they be bitter about other people getting those same basic needs covered but not earning more money?
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Make federal service required for anyone to obtain "full citizenship".
::: spoiler "Would you like to know more?"
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:::I'm switching to the side of the bugs.
