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  • bebopalouie@lemmy.caB [email protected]

    Me to. It’s called Aphantasia (no minds eye, so some or no pics) and Anendophasia (No inner voice).
    For me my thoughts are “just there” almost impossible to explain.

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    The way I explain it is: when you read, you don't read the words aloud in your head. You look at them and register their meaning. My thoughts are just those meanings. Usually in larger chunks than single words though. They don't have a language. I can 'picture' sounds I've heard before though, like getting a song stuck in my head. That one's more difficult with pictures.

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      The way I explain it is: when you read, you don't read the words aloud in your head. You look at them and register their meaning. My thoughts are just those meanings. Usually in larger chunks than single words though. They don't have a language. I can 'picture' sounds I've heard before though, like getting a song stuck in my head. That one's more difficult with pictures.

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      When I get a song stuck (which happens constantly) I don't hear it; I just have the unrelenting urge to sing it.

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      • bebopalouie@lemmy.caB [email protected]

        Me to. It’s called Aphantasia (no minds eye, so some or no pics) and Anendophasia (No inner voice).
        For me my thoughts are “just there” almost impossible to explain.

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        I couldn't understand what it's like for people who actually see and hear things in their heads. I recently realized that I sometimes experience a faint taste and I guess it's sort of like that?

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        • crazi_man@europe.pubC [email protected]

          I'm at about level 2 on this scale:

          My thoughts are a lot of imagery imagination. There are "words" to go along with it, but there certainly isn't an extensive monologue/narrative/conversation going on.

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          I'm a 4-5. Sometimes I can get like a wire frame sketch of the general shape of something.

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            As per title, I am curious. How does your mind / your thoughts work? I only ever experienced my own thoughts, so I'm curious how it works for other people.

            I for one feel like my thoughts sometimes are like me talking to myself silently. Sometimes I can even let out a random short sound, which I've come to start disguising by laughing kinda quietly or coughing or whatever. Like it was part of something, and not like an inner monologue almost leaking out.

            So, how do your thoughts work?

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            I switch between having language based thoughts and more abstract thoughts that aren’t language based. I find that my thoughts that aren’t language based are usually more complex. I also can imagine objects, rotate them or walk around familiar places in my mind. Oh and my language based thoughts tend to match the language I am speaking at the moment (I am trilingual).

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              I couldn't understand what it's like for people who actually see and hear things in their heads. I recently realized that I sometimes experience a faint taste and I guess it's sort of like that?

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              I can taste food ok. Too ok, I seem to be some sort of super taster. Everything is to overpowering.

              It scares me to think you could have pictures or movies in your head that you may not wish to have.

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                As per title, I am curious. How does your mind / your thoughts work? I only ever experienced my own thoughts, so I'm curious how it works for other people.

                I for one feel like my thoughts sometimes are like me talking to myself silently. Sometimes I can even let out a random short sound, which I've come to start disguising by laughing kinda quietly or coughing or whatever. Like it was part of something, and not like an inner monologue almost leaking out.

                So, how do your thoughts work?

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                My thoughts are the bald guy from the six flags dancing 24/7 to the song from the commercial.

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                • L [email protected]

                  As per title, I am curious. How does your mind / your thoughts work? I only ever experienced my own thoughts, so I'm curious how it works for other people.

                  I for one feel like my thoughts sometimes are like me talking to myself silently. Sometimes I can even let out a random short sound, which I've come to start disguising by laughing kinda quietly or coughing or whatever. Like it was part of something, and not like an inner monologue almost leaking out.

                  So, how do your thoughts work?

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                  I’ve definitely had the internal thoughts “leak” like you’re describing. I tend to think in almost another space outside of myself where sometimes I will forget my senses and have to actively return to them. Like I’m walking away briefly from the drivers seat to go take care of something in the back of the truck. I tend not to do this with others around as it can be rude. With others, I’m much more stream of consciousness.

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                  • L [email protected]

                    As per title, I am curious. How does your mind / your thoughts work? I only ever experienced my own thoughts, so I'm curious how it works for other people.

                    I for one feel like my thoughts sometimes are like me talking to myself silently. Sometimes I can even let out a random short sound, which I've come to start disguising by laughing kinda quietly or coughing or whatever. Like it was part of something, and not like an inner monologue almost leaking out.

                    So, how do your thoughts work?

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                    There's three hamsters running on a wheel in shifts up in my skull.

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                    • L [email protected]

                      As per title, I am curious. How does your mind / your thoughts work? I only ever experienced my own thoughts, so I'm curious how it works for other people.

                      I for one feel like my thoughts sometimes are like me talking to myself silently. Sometimes I can even let out a random short sound, which I've come to start disguising by laughing kinda quietly or coughing or whatever. Like it was part of something, and not like an inner monologue almost leaking out.

                      So, how do your thoughts work?

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                      • ultragigagigantic@lemmy.mlU [email protected]

                        My thoughts are the bald guy from the six flags dancing 24/7 to the song from the commercial.

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                        MISTER SIX!

                        https://youtu.be/EbXSbP-wEFU

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                          The way I explain it is: when you read, you don't read the words aloud in your head. You look at them and register their meaning. My thoughts are just those meanings. Usually in larger chunks than single words though. They don't have a language. I can 'picture' sounds I've heard before though, like getting a song stuck in my head. That one's more difficult with pictures.

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                          This is not a good explanation because as someone already pointed out a lot of (most?) people do "read the words aloud in their head". For me, I often even make tiny moves of my tongue and larynx - see subvocalization.

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                            This is not a good explanation because as someone already pointed out a lot of (most?) people do "read the words aloud in their head". For me, I often even make tiny moves of my tongue and larynx - see subvocalization.

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                            Interesting, everyone I've told this to said that is indeed how they read!

                            Does reading something quietly take as long as reading something out loud for you? It's hard to imagine!

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                              Interesting, everyone I've told this to said that is indeed how they read!

                              Does reading something quietly take as long as reading something out loud for you? It's hard to imagine!

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                              Reading in my head certainly takes the same amount of time as reading out loud (occasionally with different voices for characters, as somebody else said).

                              If I read without doing that it's a lot quicker but it doesn't go in and I have to re-read it. My mind starts chatting away about something else rather than concentrating on the book.

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                                Reading in my head certainly takes the same amount of time as reading out loud (occasionally with different voices for characters, as somebody else said).

                                If I read without doing that it's a lot quicker but it doesn't go in and I have to re-read it. My mind starts chatting away about something else rather than concentrating on the book.

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                                Super interesting, cause for me it's the opposite! If I try to read it out loud mentally, my mind is (I guess) understimulated and starts to wander, causing me to have to reread it.

                                Side question: if you give text a voice, what kind of a voice are you giving my comments here? Not just asking you specifically, but anyone who wants to answer!

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                                  As per title, I am curious. How does your mind / your thoughts work? I only ever experienced my own thoughts, so I'm curious how it works for other people.

                                  I for one feel like my thoughts sometimes are like me talking to myself silently. Sometimes I can even let out a random short sound, which I've come to start disguising by laughing kinda quietly or coughing or whatever. Like it was part of something, and not like an inner monologue almost leaking out.

                                  So, how do your thoughts work?

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                                  Either it's random flashes of images/videos or certain random memory from a long time ago, a certain tune/music being played on repeat, or inner mind just constantly asking questions. When I'm really focus on something all those noise are gone.

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                                  • L [email protected]

                                    As per title, I am curious. How does your mind / your thoughts work? I only ever experienced my own thoughts, so I'm curious how it works for other people.

                                    I for one feel like my thoughts sometimes are like me talking to myself silently. Sometimes I can even let out a random short sound, which I've come to start disguising by laughing kinda quietly or coughing or whatever. Like it was part of something, and not like an inner monologue almost leaking out.

                                    So, how do your thoughts work?

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                                    I'm in the "inner monologue" camp. Most of what I think materialises as thought words. I don't have to move anything in my throat to do that unlike OP though, I can think in words without mumbling to myself.

                                    But I know the voice can't be all. It's difficult for me to think in words while actively saying something, but I can have new thoughts while speaking. Sometimes, I get interrupted in thinking mid-sentence, but then I return to that sentence to finish it because... it's just satisfying? It's not that I learn anything new.

                                    I feel like I don't have very much imagination any more. Its hard to produce images in my mind, not impossible but I do have to concentrate - remembering images is easier.

                                    Weirdly, way harder to me: imagining a voice. Inner voice is what I sound like to myself, I can remember and replay songs and quotes as I heard them, but having any voice say anything is hard, especially female voices. Went through some examples in my head couldn't make anyone say anything - until I thought to make different tf2 mercs sing "Oh Canada", that somehow worked despite me definitely not having heard that before. Brains are weird.

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                                      I'm in the "inner monologue" camp. Most of what I think materialises as thought words. I don't have to move anything in my throat to do that unlike OP though, I can think in words without mumbling to myself.

                                      But I know the voice can't be all. It's difficult for me to think in words while actively saying something, but I can have new thoughts while speaking. Sometimes, I get interrupted in thinking mid-sentence, but then I return to that sentence to finish it because... it's just satisfying? It's not that I learn anything new.

                                      I feel like I don't have very much imagination any more. Its hard to produce images in my mind, not impossible but I do have to concentrate - remembering images is easier.

                                      Weirdly, way harder to me: imagining a voice. Inner voice is what I sound like to myself, I can remember and replay songs and quotes as I heard them, but having any voice say anything is hard, especially female voices. Went through some examples in my head couldn't make anyone say anything - until I thought to make different tf2 mercs sing "Oh Canada", that somehow worked despite me definitely not having heard that before. Brains are weird.

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                                      If I've been listening to an audio book, or a tv series my inner monologue can take on the voice of the narrator or main character. I'm always afraid I'm going actually speak out loud like them, but it's never happened.

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                                      • L [email protected]

                                        As per title, I am curious. How does your mind / your thoughts work? I only ever experienced my own thoughts, so I'm curious how it works for other people.

                                        I for one feel like my thoughts sometimes are like me talking to myself silently. Sometimes I can even let out a random short sound, which I've come to start disguising by laughing kinda quietly or coughing or whatever. Like it was part of something, and not like an inner monologue almost leaking out.

                                        So, how do your thoughts work?

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                                        I have both voiced and unvoiced thoughts in my head, depending on what "level" the "thinking" is at. Like others in this thread, I heard every word of this comment as I typed it, as well as a few other times as I ideated and rephrased it before typing. However, some things, particularly practiced things, just happen without any "speaking", and I just get a notion of the end result. This sometimes leads to a weird thing where, when I'm concentrating on something, both the voiced and unvoiced "threads" will do the same thing, but the voiced thoughts move at the speed of speech, and so the unvoiced thoughts get there first, and then have to wait for the voiced thoughts to catch up. I then get to wonder why I just thought the same thing twice, and why I waited for the voiced thread to finish at all when I already knew the outcome. It's also not always just my own voice (though usually), I'll set up "straw-men" to represent a certain viewpoint or person if something needs that level of consideration, or I want to prepare for a difficult conversation (or reflect on one that went poorly) - I've seen memes about similar things, so I think that's pretty usual.

                                        Similarly, when reading, I hear every word (not always in my own voice, characters and narrators sometimes get their own), but if I really get into the flow then parts will move into the unvoiced stream and I get much clearer images of what's going on (I'm a 1-2 on the aphantasia scale depending on concentration and familiarity) - that state is hard to get to, though.

                                        No idea if any of that's normal or not, I've never really thought to talk to anyone about it.

                                        Also, I occasionally have a small part of the inner monologue slip out as whispered speech too, like you said, though I don't tend to cover it up, if people ask I just say "oh, sorry, just thinking out loud a bit".

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                                          Super interesting, cause for me it's the opposite! If I try to read it out loud mentally, my mind is (I guess) understimulated and starts to wander, causing me to have to reread it.

                                          Side question: if you give text a voice, what kind of a voice are you giving my comments here? Not just asking you specifically, but anyone who wants to answer!

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                                          For me, there is kind of default neutral sounding voice for comments, but as soon as I get some kind of clue as to the speaker, either from language or punctuation patterns or if they say something about who they are- age, gender, nationality, etc., then the voice gets some more distinctive sound to it.

                                          For instance, @[email protected], who is the main poster in several communities I subscribe to, has a picture of Leela from Futurama as her profile pic, and she has mentioned that she's a she. So obviously when I read a comment or a title she wrote, it's in Leela's voice.

                                          Your comment seems energetic and friendly, so the voice is genderless and with a neutral (to me) accent, but with an energetic, friendly tone and cadence.

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