Marine Le Pen banned from running for public office after guilty verdict
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Normally you'd expect this to be pretty definitive, but fascists are real good at playing victims, so I'm not particularly convinced this will move things in the right direction. Electoral losses would have been preferable.
Of course if she did the thing, she did the thing. I'm saying all things being equal I want to see these idiots lose support without having excuses to target democratic institutions in retaliation.
Some "sympathizers" are already crying the justice is interfering with politics. Although the suspension of electoral rights is inscribed in the law, and would you expect anything less of a punishment for someone who corrupted millions of € of public money ?!?
These same "sympathizers" are constantly shouting everywhere that our justice is to soft and that criminals should be punished more harshly.
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don't be like us here in the US having a convicted felon run the show
Next time- Vote.
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Elon and Trump will call France out for being anti democracy because of this. Changing the narrative that Europe isn’t a democracy anymore, but the extremely flawed American system is.
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Next time- Vote.
i did. and i encouraged as many people as i could to do so as well. my struggle is the people saying voting does nothing and the only way to get our scumfuck politicians to do anything is the way malcolm x did. and those people reveal something about themselves when they say that. malcolm x said "the ballot or the bullet." he necouraged democratic participation AND radical action. you have to both. and what's more is voting takes so little effort. i find it hard to believe people who are unwilling to put in the effort to vote are willing to put in the effort to take radical action. and frankly, that's what i see out in the streets. who was protesting with me before the election were people saying we need to vote. and it's all those same people now. i don't see all those "we hate blue maga" people here on lemmy out in real life putting the work in to support the movement of meaningful justice, equity, and peace.
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When convicted for embezzlement, someone should NEVER be allowed to run for government offices ever again
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For 5 years
That’s an important detail
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I'm just worried what the reaction to this will be.
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Fuck its only for 5 years.
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i did. and i encouraged as many people as i could to do so as well. my struggle is the people saying voting does nothing and the only way to get our scumfuck politicians to do anything is the way malcolm x did. and those people reveal something about themselves when they say that. malcolm x said "the ballot or the bullet." he necouraged democratic participation AND radical action. you have to both. and what's more is voting takes so little effort. i find it hard to believe people who are unwilling to put in the effort to vote are willing to put in the effort to take radical action. and frankly, that's what i see out in the streets. who was protesting with me before the election were people saying we need to vote. and it's all those same people now. i don't see all those "we hate blue maga" people here on lemmy out in real life putting the work in to support the movement of meaningful justice, equity, and peace.
My condolances.
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Exactly what needs to happen. Keep these monsters away from positions of power over others.
Sure, but it needs to be because she actually committed a crime, not as a convenient way just to block someone you think might win from running. I am going to assume in this case she is guilty and was found guilty fairly.
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I wish we could do that in the USA. Must be nice to have a functional government.
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I think there are enough qualified people to be president in the all of 350 million in the states that it's OK if we disqualify people who've been convicted of a felony.
I think democracy would survive if not thrive.
So, you know how Erdogan recently threw bogus charges at a candidate and revoked the guy's degree to make him ineligible? That's why banning people with criminal records isn't a good idea; the current government can just bar the opposition from running.
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So, you know how Erdogan recently threw bogus charges at a candidate and revoked the guy's degree to make him ineligible? That's why banning people with criminal records isn't a good idea; the current government can just bar the opposition from running.
My guess would be you're already long fucked when that becomes the case. There may be obstacles and exceptions needed but I still wouldn't dismiss the idea.
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Not to defend Le Pen but barring opponents from elections is on page one of the fascist playbook.
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Not to defend Le Pen but barring opponents from elections is on page one of the fascist playbook.
She got convicted of embezzlement of public money. By a court. Not by another political party.
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Not to defend Le Pen but barring opponents from elections is on page one of the fascist playbook.
French courts are independent. She will appeal, and another court will condemn her and her friends in appeal.
The evidence is multitudinous and straightforward.
Countries that have special rules for powerful people are the fascist ones.
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She got convicted of embezzlement of public money. By a court. Not by another political party.
Yep but that's what Putin also says before throwing people in jail.
Courts can be corrupted and if that happens, an open election is the last chance before full dictatorship ensues.
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When convicted for embezzlement, someone should NEVER be allowed to run for government offices ever again
Funnily enough, when the law was introduced a few years ago, her party wanted the penalty to be lifelong ineligibility. They are probably happy it's 5 years, now.
