It's been downhill since 2020
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That is typical. You regurgitating what you have been taught to anytime someone brings up the New Deal, there was still Injustice against minorities! So therefore everything from then is defunct.
Of course by that logic every example from every time would be defunct. There is injustice now, there was in your parents lifetimes, your grandparents.
Explain to me how because everything was not perfect in every way it is not an example that we know a minimum wage job could pay for a dignified life.
And that includes those minorities that still were discriminated against, making enough money to live. It is telling of the quality of your opinions if you ask me.
And now you're insulting me.
What I've been taught? Who the fuck do you think taught me all this theory and history? Ebil gommunist brainwashing school?
I fucking read and read and read. Off the top of my head: How Europe Underdeveloped Africa, I read A Dying Colonialism, I read The Wretched of the Earth, I read Black Reconstruction, I read A People's History of the United States, I read Shock Doctrine, I read Revolutionary Suicide, in fact I just read Empire of Borders and it really handily describes the global apartheid system our reforms rely on!
These are the basis for what I now understand about reformism within the imperial core. Reforms can only ever privilege a small segment of the working class above the workers in internal colonies and out in the periphery, they can not even help everyone under capitalism because then *where would capitalists get profits? Profit is theft, you can't reform your way out of that.
Instead, reforms like the New Deal were a way to bribe that special privileged segment of the workers into opposing revolution. That's it. They saw what happened in the USSR and it scared the shit out of them, so they bribed white workers into supporting capitalism and deputized them as enforcers. They can't bribe everyone with reforms, so they just bribe enough to act as enforcers.
And now that the empire is in decay they're running out of money to bribe us with. There are limits to growth, there is a tendency for the rate of profit to fall, you can't escape this.
We can fight for reforms! But they should be the basis for further revolutionary aims, not be the end goal in and of themselves.
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And now you're insulting me.
What I've been taught? Who the fuck do you think taught me all this theory and history? Ebil gommunist brainwashing school?
I fucking read and read and read. Off the top of my head: How Europe Underdeveloped Africa, I read A Dying Colonialism, I read The Wretched of the Earth, I read Black Reconstruction, I read A People's History of the United States, I read Shock Doctrine, I read Revolutionary Suicide, in fact I just read Empire of Borders and it really handily describes the global apartheid system our reforms rely on!
These are the basis for what I now understand about reformism within the imperial core. Reforms can only ever privilege a small segment of the working class above the workers in internal colonies and out in the periphery, they can not even help everyone under capitalism because then *where would capitalists get profits? Profit is theft, you can't reform your way out of that.
Instead, reforms like the New Deal were a way to bribe that special privileged segment of the workers into opposing revolution. That's it. They saw what happened in the USSR and it scared the shit out of them, so they bribed white workers into supporting capitalism and deputized them as enforcers. They can't bribe everyone with reforms, so they just bribe enough to act as enforcers.
And now that the empire is in decay they're running out of money to bribe us with. There are limits to growth, there is a tendency for the rate of profit to fall, you can't escape this.
We can fight for reforms! But they should be the basis for further revolutionary aims, not be the end goal in and of themselves.
I'm very happy for you, but you also just used a bad faith argument the super rich have taught everyone to say to derail any conversations. I was asking you to give me one period in time that could be used as an example where everything was perfect that would be acceptable to take an example from by your logic? Just give me one.
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I'm very happy for you, but you also just used a bad faith argument the super rich have taught everyone to say to derail any conversations. I was asking you to give me one period in time that could be used as an example where everything was perfect that would be acceptable to take an example from by your logic? Just give me one.
How does "my logic" lead anyone to believe there has ever been a period of time that was perfect? The powerful have been oppressing us since we invented fucking agriculture and they started forming empires. All hitherto history is the history of class struggle, nothing has ever been perfect, what are you talking about?
Are you confusing me with someone else?
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The flu is one thing, all of the toxins we are exposed to from companies trying to save a buck is everywhere as well. This is like some 1984 shit we are heading right now. More dangerous chemicals than ever being allowed into our water, our air, and our food. The flu and the covids are just icing on the cake. And I think I have noticed people getting Dumber from the 90s. Not starting in 2020 starting before that.
agreed, except that the "getting dumber" really only started around 2010 or so..
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I see this said about the 90s all the time but really this is not true. In the 90s there was (not an exhaustive list)
- First Gulf War
- Yugoslavia war
- Rwandan Genocide
- Oklahoma City Bombing
- Columbine Massacre
- Los Angeles Riots
- The Fall Of USSR (while on one hand a good thing it also cause so much economic decline, hunger, and excess mortality in the millions to many former bloc countries)
- Somalian War
- US 1990 recession
- 1997 Asian Financial crisis
- Dot com bubble
- Hurricane Andrew
- 1999 İzmit earthquake
It's very common when asking any person what was the best period of time for the world for their response to be a period of time their formative years were.
The reality is history is full of horrid horrid things and nostalgia is a follie that'll trick your mind.
Yes, stuff still happened, but it was all mostly local scale in consequences or temporary blips. Conflicts, economic downturns, weather events can all be huge tragedies, but an entire super power cratered in on itself in '91 and splintered into smaller countries massively rewriting the political landscape. And in 2001, 9-11 happened and its arguably a starting point for a domino effect of terrible unhinged shit that followed that also had massive global political ramifications, arguably to this very day.
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I came here to say the exact same thing. 9/11 changed the US forever in a bad way.
Those who are willing to give up liberty for a semblance of safety deserve neither and all that.
