I hate golf
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Oh so sports in general being chock fulla racist fuckheads makes it ok that golf courses were often segregated until the 80s?
Oh ok. Yeah.
Nah. Get fucked with that. But to answer your question, I see zero racism in curling.
Pretty sure I didn't say it made it ok. Just that it was a pointless statement because it is true of all sports that I know of.
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Roller derby?
Nice, I hadn't thought of that. Might actually not have a history of racism
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It honestly wouldn't be so bad if there weren't so fucking many golf courses.
If there were 25 golf courses per US state, we would have 1250 golf courses - or less than 10% of the number we currently have.
I guess the rich don't want to have to share a space with the filthy middle class, or something.
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I was an irrigation tech at a 27 hole golf course a while back. We had the reclaim system you're talking about and a retention lake that we would pull from. During the winter (Florida) it was pretty close to a stable system. There wasn't much loss to evaporation and our lake didn't need to be refilled. During the summer and especially in droughts, more than half our water was city water supplementing our lake.
We would pump about 1 million gallons of water per night normally. In the summer and drought seasons it could be closer to 2 million per night and half of that was city water. We were a smaller course too, some of the PGA 36 hole courses could easily double those numbers. Golf courses are a blight on the land and a giant waste of all kinds of resources.27 hole is not small. The majority of courses out there are 9 or 18.
And the recycled water I was talking about came from outside the course. Usually part of the waste water system in the area. That's probably less common in Florida though.
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27 hole is not small. The majority of courses out there are 9 or 18.
And the recycled water I was talking about came from outside the course. Usually part of the waste water system in the area. That's probably less common in Florida though.
I am amzed you could be stable in the winter. I didn't know reclimation could be that effective.My mistake, I hadn't considered the recycled water would be supplied by the city like that. Where I was it was mostly retention ponds like I mentioned. As for being stable in winter, that really depended on rain. If we got a decent rain a few times a month it would mostly even out, but even then we still needed topping off from time to time.
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The great thing about golf, either mini or fullsize, is that you never have to play either of them. I don't.
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Nice, I hadn't thought of that. Might actually not have a history of racism
Yep. Started by punks, so late enough by cool enough people.
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I don’t play except once every couple of years... and poorly. But it isn't as wasteful on water as you think. They often use some form of recycled water, and once it is on the ground it doesn't just go away. Much of it goes deeper into the ground, getting filtered naturally, and ends up back in an underground aquifer. The "loss" is just in evaporation. Which of course eventually comes back as rain. Some percentage of that ends up in the ocean. That part is more or less lost as drinkable water. But recycled water often wasn't drinkable to start with.
It's really the fertalizers that are the problem I believe.
Every golf course is a dead ecosystem pretending it’s alive.
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If I remember George Carlins bit correctly the amount of golf courses in the US took up two rhode islands and a delaware worth of space once counted up. He argued we should turn it into homeless shelters and public housing, and to let the golfers test actual skill at the mini-golf.
Actually looking at it semantically I wonder if the word mini-golf exist just to demean it compared to big boy real golf.Let's start calling it skill golf instead of miniature golf
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Every golf course is a dead ecosystem pretending it’s alive.
Well, they sure aren't helping the ecosystem, but I wouldn't say dead. I live near a golf course, lot's of wildlife visiting it in the odd hours. And that is just the bigger stuff I can see.
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My mistake, I hadn't considered the recycled water would be supplied by the city like that. Where I was it was mostly retention ponds like I mentioned. As for being stable in winter, that really depended on rain. If we got a decent rain a few times a month it would mostly even out, but even then we still needed topping off from time to time.
Yeah, even though they can treat sewage enough to make it safe to drink, most people don't want to anyway. So they often send it to golf courses, water features, sometimes very large companies will use it if they have a lot of grass on thier campuses. It's just a matter of piping it most of the time because they can't just release the sewage untreated, so it's there for the taking. But piping isn't cheap if it is an urban area.
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Mini golf FTW!
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Pretty sure I didn't say it made it ok. Just that it was a pointless statement because it is true of all sports that I know of.
then why did you bring it up in response sparky?
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Sorry you hate golf. Public pools and libraries are also heavily subsidized by tax payer money. Parks for that matter are too. Sometimes it's just a good thing to provide your citizens with something to do outside. I'm certainly not a rich white asshole that drives a BMW or Merc. I drive a 2019 Hyundai Santa Fe with 130k miles on it.
I no longer live there but in the 4000 population town I grew up in, the only tax funded public entity that turned a profit for the city budget was the golf course. The public pool never showed profit in the 8 years I was a lifeguard there. The best it ever managed to do was about a $6k loss. The library lost money because of building maintenance and after school programs. And the parks district was the biggest drain on public funds due to recreational sports for kids and an outdoor theater production for local kids to act in. If anything, the golf course helped fund other local programs.
pools and parks don't poison the water table with runoff from their greens.
that must be one hell of a muni golf course; or, your memory could be hazy, or, someone in the municipal gov is hoovering up funds.
I stick to my premise. The funds would have more impact elsewhere. And the damage done wouldn't happen with other uses.
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then why did you bring it up in response sparky?
Are you asking why I made a comment sharing my thought without 100% disagreeing with OP? Cause not everything is love or hate.
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Well, they sure aren't helping the ecosystem, but I wouldn't say dead. I live near a golf course, lot's of wildlife visiting it in the odd hours. And that is just the bigger stuff I can see.
Big animals don’t have a lasting ecological impact when the soil is dead. A golf course has no viable shrub cover, no insects to speak of, no real living soil, nothing. It’s basically a dead presentation field for some larger animals that abandon it after social functions. The area itself is not much more suited for live than a parking lot. Which also has wildlife visiting.
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The real problem is the children and the noise they make.
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He charged the ranks of the goblins of Mount Gram in the Battle of the Green Fields, and knocked their king Golfimbul's head clean off with a wooden club. It sailed a hundred yards through the air and went down a rabbit-hole, and in this way the battle was won and the game of Golf invented at the same moment.
Play golf the way it was originally intended and you'll never be confused about whether or not it's a sport ever again.
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Big animals don’t have a lasting ecological impact when the soil is dead. A golf course has no viable shrub cover, no insects to speak of, no real living soil, nothing. It’s basically a dead presentation field for some larger animals that abandon it after social functions. The area itself is not much more suited for live than a parking lot. Which also has wildlife visiting.
What are you talking about? They don't plow bulldoze the place. There are plenty of shrubs and such, just not on the fairway. The few times I have golfed myself, I have never failed to lose a ball in some brush. And I remember getting bitten by mosquitoes at at least one. They always have a retention pond, and that thing is a haven for insect life. The ducks and geese always stop at the nearby course and are clearly finding food.
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What are you talking about? They don't plow bulldoze the place. There are plenty of shrubs and such, just not on the fairway. The few times I have golfed myself, I have never failed to lose a ball in some brush. And I remember getting bitten by mosquitoes at at least one. They always have a retention pond, and that thing is a haven for insect life. The ducks and geese always stop at the nearby course and are clearly finding food.
A golf course is dead ecologically speaking. Mowed gras supports nearly zero biodiversity. Compare it to any natural meadow and you’ll easily see why golf courses are a joke. Having a few token species (mosquitos, ducks) that thrive everywhere is no indicator of ecological viability. Get a bat coder and find some bats, find smaller snakes, rodents and newts, then you got a living thing going. The soil deteriorates without natural cover, cultivated grass shrubs don’t retain a root system that supports a healthy soil. Instead nutrients and so on are washed out over time. Fauna dependent on nutrient enrichment by plants growing on the soil slowly dies until there is none left to incorporate eventual nutrient rich matter. Just because it might look „nice and alive“ doesn’t mean it is. It’s an ecological wasteland, optics don’t really play a role in that.
