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Does anyone remember Third Voice? You could graffiti any website and only people who had plugin installed could see it. Why isn't there a modern alternative?

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  • arghblarg@lemmy.caA [email protected]

    Years ago https://web.hypothes.is/ used to let one annotate any website, but it appears now they are focused on only student/educational usage.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothes.is

    There was a plugin that allowed highlighting text on any web page, adding comments, and having threaded conversations based on groups.. it was kind of cool, too bad it didn't take off.

    https://ucatt.arizona.edu/news/using-free-version-hypothesis


    EDIT 1: I'll be darned, the Chrome extension still exists.. https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/hypothesis-web-pdf-annota/bjfhmglciegochdpefhhlphglcehbmek

    EDIT 2: I found my old account and the test annotations I'd done (and group definitions) still work! Guess this is still a working thing, worth exploring more.

    subarctictundra@lemmy.mlS This user is from outside of this forum
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    It still works and I still use it. Every so often I even run into other people's public comments in the wild.

    https://via.hypothes.is/

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    • seathru@lemmy.sdf.orgS [email protected]

      What happened there? I must have wandered off before the drama happened.

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      #39

      Oh, they just catered to Karens with automated bans, and no human review.

      They also had a policy that if you didn't restrict your account to PG-level content, all of your submissions were considered X-rated.

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      • arghblarg@lemmy.caA [email protected]

        Years ago https://web.hypothes.is/ used to let one annotate any website, but it appears now they are focused on only student/educational usage.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothes.is

        There was a plugin that allowed highlighting text on any web page, adding comments, and having threaded conversations based on groups.. it was kind of cool, too bad it didn't take off.

        https://ucatt.arizona.edu/news/using-free-version-hypothesis


        EDIT 1: I'll be darned, the Chrome extension still exists.. https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/hypothesis-web-pdf-annota/bjfhmglciegochdpefhhlphglcehbmek

        EDIT 2: I found my old account and the test annotations I'd done (and group definitions) still work! Guess this is still a working thing, worth exploring more.

        subarctictundra@lemmy.mlS This user is from outside of this forum
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        #40

        Is it OSS?

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        • geekwithsoul@piefed.socialG [email protected]

          Nice strawman, but not applicable. A car can mechanically fail, resulting in a crash or a human can operate it in such a manner as to cause a crash. It can't crash on its own and if driven and maintained correctly, won't crash.

          An AI, on the other hand, can give answers but never actually "knows" if it's correct or true. Sometimes the answers will be correct because you get lucky but there's nothing in any current LLM out there that can tell fact from fiction. It's just based on how it's trained and what it's trained on, and even when taking from "real" sources, it can mix things up when combining sources. Suggest you read https://medium.com/analytics-matters/generative-ai-its-all-a-hallucination-6b8798445044

          The only way a car would be like an AI is if every time you sat in the car, it occasionally drove you to the right place and you didn't mind the other 9 out of 10 times it drove you to the wrong place, drove you using the least efficient route, and/or occasionally drove across lawns and fields, and on sidewalks. Oh, and the car assembles itself from other people's cars and steals their gas.

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          Too many beers to reply now, maybe tomorrow.

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          • subarctictundra@lemmy.mlS [email protected]

            Is it OSS?

            arghblarg@lemmy.caA This user is from outside of this forum
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            I just browsed a few of the component projects on github and it seems they're BSD-licensed...

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            • arghblarg@lemmy.caA [email protected]

              Years ago https://web.hypothes.is/ used to let one annotate any website, but it appears now they are focused on only student/educational usage.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothes.is

              There was a plugin that allowed highlighting text on any web page, adding comments, and having threaded conversations based on groups.. it was kind of cool, too bad it didn't take off.

              https://ucatt.arizona.edu/news/using-free-version-hypothesis


              EDIT 1: I'll be darned, the Chrome extension still exists.. https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/hypothesis-web-pdf-annota/bjfhmglciegochdpefhhlphglcehbmek

              EDIT 2: I found my old account and the test annotations I'd done (and group definitions) still work! Guess this is still a working thing, worth exploring more.

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              #43

              This is awesome.

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                This is awesome.

                subarctictundra@lemmy.mlS This user is from outside of this forum
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                I recommend pasting this into TamperMonkey to have the Hypothesis controls display on every page.

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                • J [email protected]

                  How would it work, technically, on a dynamic website? Any given url may load different content.

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                  The content of the graffiti/comments isn't being hosted on the server of the location you're ending at. You just tie it to the url, same as it worked before. Ignore search strings and tracking tags and that's it. Nothing has changed on that end.

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                  • S [email protected]

                    The content of the graffiti/comments isn't being hosted on the server of the location you're ending at. You just tie it to the url, same as it worked before. Ignore search strings and tracking tags and that's it. Nothing has changed on that end.

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                    But if I'm on example.com/feed and I see posts [1,2,3] based on my user and whatever algorithm is there, and you're on example.com/feed and you see posts [4,5,6], how would it know? Same url, completely different content.

                    I guess it would work on pages that have a fixed url, like news articles.

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                    • R [email protected]

                      Man it was so much fun to see the clever shit people had qs tags

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                      My favorite was a ladder texture

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                      • subarctictundra@lemmy.mlS [email protected]

                        I recommend pasting this into TamperMonkey to have the Hypothesis controls display on every page.

                        arghblarg@lemmy.caA This user is from outside of this forum
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                        Neat, thanks.

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                        • subarctictundra@lemmy.mlS [email protected]

                          It still works and I still use it. Every so often I even run into other people's public comments in the wild.

                          https://via.hypothes.is/

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                          #49

                          This is very 'meta' -- we should perhaps start a lemmy community to discuss what sites and groups to form, to use it on other sites. There could even be a lemmy group to comment on lemmy.. or something 😛


                          Here, I created a group for lemmy discussions! Hah.

                          https://hypothes.is/groups/yN2iWLpz/lemmy-meta

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                            The internet got way more complicated since then with all the dynamically loaded and generated content. I don't think the plugin would work very well these days.

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                            • arghblarg@lemmy.caA [email protected]

                              This is very 'meta' -- we should perhaps start a lemmy community to discuss what sites and groups to form, to use it on other sites. There could even be a lemmy group to comment on lemmy.. or something 😛


                              Here, I created a group for lemmy discussions! Hah.

                              https://hypothes.is/groups/yN2iWLpz/lemmy-meta

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                              Never heard of it, but I was into pmog/the nethernet instead which was kinda similar but I more exploration oriented

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                                A plugin that just checks to see if Lemmy has any posts pointing to the current URL would be pretty nice. So I can go and get secondary opinions if I want.

                                Not sure how much stress that would put on servers though. I guess probably not that much if searches can just be exact matches on URLs.

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                                  Privacy, cost, moderation

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                                    Easy to police now with AI, if someone gets rich send me some bitcoin im poor 🙂

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                                    Have you ever done any technical work with "AI"?

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                                    • N [email protected]

                                      A plugin that just checks to see if Lemmy has any posts pointing to the current URL would be pretty nice. So I can go and get secondary opinions if I want.

                                      Not sure how much stress that would put on servers though. I guess probably not that much if searches can just be exact matches on URLs.

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                                      I'd love this. Maybe a filter for subscribed communitied but otherwise sounds like a great way to interact with a community around articles

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                                        I got the wiki data extension to try and have this effect, but that didn't really work for the case. Still use to categorize stuff though.

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                                        • J [email protected]

                                          But if I'm on example.com/feed and I see posts [1,2,3] based on my user and whatever algorithm is there, and you're on example.com/feed and you see posts [4,5,6], how would it know? Same url, completely different content.

                                          I guess it would work on pages that have a fixed url, like news articles.

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                                          You can't account for viewing the same dynamic content across all pages on the Internet. Nothing is consistent, and stuff changes. I don't think it really matters though. Commenting on dynamic content is a function of social media or the site itself, not a third party addon. It would still be useful without that

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