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    I'd like to ask a general question that I'm not entirely sure I can give enough context for.

    When did we as a society start listening so intently to what amounts to barely more than children? This Kirk guy looked chromosomal on top of being barely out of high school, how and why do so many people listen to him?

    Half a century ago thought leaders were people like Isaac Asimov or Carl Sagan or Gwynne Dyer or Roy Bonisteel or any number of scholarly people over a certain age.

    When did we start caring about high schooler's opinions on a national level?

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    The answer is social media. And theres grifters for everyone to latch on to, and get their opinions from.

    It seems like the right wing have the market cornered, but thats only because we frequent left leaning social media holes. If you look at the right holes, you'll see the same insanity going the other way. Unhinged blue hair land whales getting weird as fuck about a hot girl wearing jeans for example. But right now, if you look, what you'll see an ocean of right wing grifters pointing to social media posts and comments and that are cheering on the death of Kirk. Which if you think about it, its pretty fucking sick. Yeah, he was a cunt. But that doesnt mean we have to be as well.

    I mean, if I told you that someone was killed because of their political beliefs, youd think of Lincoln or Kennedy. And then if I told you people were cheering about it, youd think they were sick. But this is somehow worse. Charlie Kirk was killed not for politics, but because of the dumb as fuck culture wars that he took part in. Saying outrageous, bigoted dog shit, and then being celebrated for it by an annoying gaggle of cave brained cunts.

    This is why people are celebrating. This weird culture war, that has both sides not seeing human beings anymore. Just talking heads that say things they dont like. The real horror of this is that a human being was murdered, and no one on the left side of the culture war for one second thought of the human being, or the horrific way he died. They just cheered and tapped away keys with satisfying clicky sounds. And worse than that, the cunt is now a martyr to that cause. This will only escalate now. And that, is nothing that anyone should be happy about.

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      Have you tried therapy? Enjoying murder is horrific

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      enjoying his murder is part of our therapy

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        Yeah. Nobody should have to watch their parent or child die. Guy was a waste of oxygen but I hope the kids get plenty of therapy.

        Moving forward may the world be a slightly better place, where these conservative grifters are tempered slightly by the fear they might end up like Charlie here.

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        Yeah, thats whats going to happen. Not that the unhinged right wing fuckwits use him as martyr, and saddle up for some weird fucking payback.

        The way to defeat Kirk was with words and facts. A bullet does nothing but make his voice louder. If it was some left wing culture war weirdo, all they did was make him immortal. Yay...

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          To be fair, using his talking points that made him one of the biggest cunts on the planet as justification to be just like him, its pretty wild. He was cunt, there no doubt about that. But his death brings that question back onto you. Are you going to celebrate the death of a 31 year old man just because you didnt like the dumb shit he said? If the answer is yes, you might not be the good guy you think you are.

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          He wasn't just spreading shitty opinions, he was spreading hate and fear and creating a dangerous environment for those he didn't like. He got what he fucking deserved.

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            I dont feel bad for his family.

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            They're safe now

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              Why do you think the actual white power, right extremists are getting closer and closer to power everywhere? Why is there is a spike in young men leaning right? Because they listen to assholes like this one. Words are very dangerous in the long run.

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              No, its because they see asshole like you cheering for the murder of people who say dumb shit. How the fuck can you not see your own extremism when its so fucking blatant???? "People who dont agree with me deserve to die!". That you lot, thats you lot right fucking now.

              Jesus christ.

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                How anyone can sympathise for him I don’t know

                At the end of the day he is a human being, that's why. I'm not trying to defend the guy, but fundamentally that's what is supposed to divide the progressives/liberals vs the conservatives. The conservatives don't care except when it's their own while the progressives and liberals are supposed to care about all people supposedly.

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                No, someone who spread as much hate as he did, doesn't deserve sympathy.

                I hope the bullet is ok.

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                  Yep. I've already said this like three times on other platforms: it's ok to be happy about this. He gave you permission. Twice, actually. The "it's worth sacrificing a person every now and then if it means we get to have guns" and this empathy thing.

                  This is maybe the only time it's ok to be happy someone died.

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                    I would actually like to know what he was leading to with that question. Is the implication that gangs have an overrepresentation of trans people? Or that gang violence doesn't count for some reason?

                    I guess we'll never know.

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                    Just some good old racism

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                      I think since forever, there's for example quite a few teenagers amongst the US Founding Fathers age when signing declaration of independence:

                      Alexander Hamilton 21
                      James Monroe 18
                      Nathan Hale 21
                      John Marshall 20
                      Aaron Burr 20
                      Charles Pinckney 18

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                      Imagine having to juggle being a Father and getting through college at the same time.

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                        He wasn't just spreading shitty opinions, he was spreading hate and fear and creating a dangerous environment for those he didn't like. He got what he fucking deserved.

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                        And what do you think celebrating his death is doing?

                        I know you keyboard warriors are dumb as fuck, so Ill just tell you. Youre ramping up the other side of your dumb culture war. Youre spreading hate, and celebrating murder. You are the very thing you hate. You just dont have as many followers. But theres enough of you doing it, that right now there will be a number of unhinged right wingers looking for "payback". And thats on you, and every single other mouth breather out there cheers for murder.

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                          And what do you think celebrating his death is doing?

                          I know you keyboard warriors are dumb as fuck, so Ill just tell you. Youre ramping up the other side of your dumb culture war. Youre spreading hate, and celebrating murder. You are the very thing you hate. You just dont have as many followers. But theres enough of you doing it, that right now there will be a number of unhinged right wingers looking for "payback". And thats on you, and every single other mouth breather out there cheers for murder.

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                          Lmao like they aren't already cheering about people getting deported. Get fucked.

                          He was a cunt and bled out like one. Fuck him. Just because he's dead doesn't mean he deserves respect. He gets the same respect he gave towards women. Fucking none.

                          I'm not really celebrating it, but I won't lose any sleep over it.

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                            I wouldn't say he was murdered. He considered himself to be a culture warrior and when a warrior falls in battle, even if it's a most pointless battle standing on the wrong side of history, it's generally not considered murder.

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                              Why do you think the actual white power, right extremists are getting closer and closer to power everywhere? Why is there is a spike in young men leaning right? Because they listen to assholes like this one. Words are very dangerous in the long run.

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                              Yes, words matter.

                              But the ends don't justify the means. Morality isn't outcome-oriented. It's wrong to kill someone just for their words and ideas.

                              If the assassin had targeted the people enacting those ideas, that might be different. But assassinations tend to be a net negative. I can't think of an exception.

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                                And what do you think celebrating his death is doing?

                                I know you keyboard warriors are dumb as fuck, so Ill just tell you. Youre ramping up the other side of your dumb culture war. Youre spreading hate, and celebrating murder. You are the very thing you hate. You just dont have as many followers. But theres enough of you doing it, that right now there will be a number of unhinged right wingers looking for "payback". And thats on you, and every single other mouth breather out there cheers for murder.

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                                Wow, so wise. I always wanted to be slowly, yet methodically killed by right wingers without any fight-back.

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                                  To be fair, using his talking points that made him one of the biggest cunts on the planet as justification to be just like him, its pretty wild. He was cunt, there no doubt about that. But his death brings that question back onto you. Are you going to celebrate the death of a 31 year old man just because you didnt like the dumb shit he said? If the answer is yes, you might not be the good guy you think you are.

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                                  I hold people like him personally responsible for the violence against POC's and trans people. So yeah, I am going to PARTYYYYYYY

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                                    So let me get this straight...

                                    People in here are justifying his murder by saying he advocated for it?

                                    So because he said he thinks empathy is bollocks and that some people should have to die so we can keep guns that makes it ok?

                                    How can you be against everything he stands for, but then use his standards to justify his death?

                                    That is wrong. And it just shows how full of crap you are. If you disagree with him then now is the time to prove it.

                                    He might have essentially "been asking for it" but thats not the ways i want the world to be.

                                    And i found out today that there are lots of people on lemmy who will advocate for murder as long as it suits them.

                                    Cool....

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                                      No, its because they see asshole like you cheering for the murder of people who say dumb shit. How the fuck can you not see your own extremism when its so fucking blatant???? "People who dont agree with me deserve to die!". That you lot, thats you lot right fucking now.

                                      Jesus christ.

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                                      Nah, it's the same playbook every time. You have dangerous right wing rhetoric justifying violence (as seen in this thread, even by Kirk himself) that leads to political violence and the right is just "this is deserved" (see J6 or the attack on democratic lawmakers), but when it hits themselves, suddenly political violence is the worst and collective pearl-clutching starts. These people have created a dangerous atmosphere that they can't control and it's backfiring, there was never an attempt from them to defuse it.

                                      People like Kevin Roberts who threaten revolutions with thinly veiled violence etc… btw my personal theory is that Kirk was shot by a right wing lunatic who was disappointed in Kirk's 180 on the Epstein files which went from something like "this is the biggest conspiracy in history, never trust the government" to "I trust my friends in the government" over a weekend. They have created an atmosphere of "you need to fight those in power by any means necessary" and now they find themselves in an awkward spot.

                                      Anyhow, everybody in the thread you replied to just did what Kirk ask them to. Not show empathy, not let the victims emotionally hijack the narrative. He made the world a worse place, I don't know if it's gonna be better without him but I have no reason to believe otherwise.

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                                        It was more anti-trans hate mongering. 2 or 3 trans shooters out of 5700 is nothing. If you can whittle down the number of "mass shootings" to just a handful of incidents, can make it seem like trans people are vastly over-represented among school shooters.

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                                        The number of trans shooters versus non-trans shooters probably has trans shooters falling comfortably into a margin of error. I can't do the math, though, I'm no numbersmith.

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                                          When I hear Nazi I think of concentration camps and killing Jews. Kirk was a big supporter of Israel. Does Nazi just mean conservative fascist now? And if so is B. Netanyahu a Nazi? That seems weird.

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                                          When I hear Nazi I think of concentration camps and killing Jews. Kirk was a big supporter of Israel.

                                          Well, Israel didn't exist when the NSDAP did, so if you apply the literal meaning of each, a Nazi couldn't support Israel. But fascism was also something that only applied to the party in power in Italy from 1922 to 1945. The terms have somewhat evolved since then; fascism generally meaning authoritarian, ultranationalistic and antiliberal. The same applies to nazism, but usually with some racist ideology with hatred for other religions.

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