Posting for the "Now guys he was MURDERED! Don't celebrate!" Crowd
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I see your point, but Asimov was born in 1920 and Foundation, arguably his greatest work, came out in 1951 when he was 31, the same age numbnuts was. "Barely out of highschool" just doesn't apply and frankly feels like a disingenuous attempt to disparage youth. Age unfortunately has very little to do with stupid opinions.
Charlie Kirk co-founded TP USA in 2012 with a tea party activist when he was 18, the day after he graduated from high school. He also wrote an article for breitbart and appeared on fox news in his senior year of highschool. I believe that's probably what the OP is referring to.
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are still feeling empathy for tolerant people outside their groups
Apparently they are not, as exemplified by celebration of violence here, and the dislike for those arguing against violence. They feel empathy for the intolerant only, and dislike the emphatic.
The fascist chose to break the peace treaty and so they are no longer protected by it.
Neither are the people celebrating here, according to this logic. See the issue?
Now tolerant people have to work together with people outside their groups
Exactly, they should! What they're doing instead is using violence on people outside their in-group - the self-proclaimed tolerant are the intolerant just of a different tribe.
They're them, we're we, we're better is what you're describing and is parochial empathy.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Apparently they are not
Charlie Kirk wasn't empathetic himself. Literally look at the posted quote by OP. He was not a tolerant person, but intolerant of others.
Neither are the people celebrating here
The people on social media reacting to Charlie Kirk's demise are not calling for violence towards each other. They are acting in unison, setting aside the MSM, and celebrating the death of a political influencer with destructive ideals. We The People are consistent in our peace treaty, for we all know Charlie violated it well before now.
What they're doing instead is using violence
I'm sorry, are social media posts violence now? Are social media posts the same as a bullet to the neck? Are celebrations of death the same as calling for it? Can we not take pleasure in knowing vile, evil people have perished and can no longer spread their destructive ideals that will lead to pain and suffering of others?
They're them, we're we, we're better is what you're describing and is parochial empathy.
The test is empathy, man. Empathy is the gateway into breaking down racist and sexist walls and realizing that we all have more in common that in difference. Charlie actively advocated against that, reinforcing stereotypes and charging up the fascist belief of "the other".
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Charlie Kirk co-founded TP USA in 2012 with a tea party activist when he was 18, the day after he graduated from high school. He also wrote an article for breitbart and appeared on fox news in his senior year of highschool. I believe that's probably what the OP is referring to.
Ah, that does make sense
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If you shoot politicians and billionaires instead of kids they might finally care about gun violence in the US.
The GOP senators after J6, very briefly, were shook enough to say things that didn't come directly from the dark money groups with puppet hands up all their asses. That lasted about 12 hours before they got their marching orders.
Meanwhile, teachers across the country were doing the Buster Scruggs meme
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So when does he start exterminating the Jews?
Edit: he literally cant be a nazi. He's a sionist.
Like the Germans they are starting with the homeless and disabled. In this case the Latino community is being targeted in the same way as the Jewish community was in Germany.
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Apparently they are not
Charlie Kirk wasn't empathetic himself. Literally look at the posted quote by OP. He was not a tolerant person, but intolerant of others.
Neither are the people celebrating here
The people on social media reacting to Charlie Kirk's demise are not calling for violence towards each other. They are acting in unison, setting aside the MSM, and celebrating the death of a political influencer with destructive ideals. We The People are consistent in our peace treaty, for we all know Charlie violated it well before now.
What they're doing instead is using violence
I'm sorry, are social media posts violence now? Are social media posts the same as a bullet to the neck? Are celebrations of death the same as calling for it? Can we not take pleasure in knowing vile, evil people have perished and can no longer spread their destructive ideals that will lead to pain and suffering of others?
They're them, we're we, we're better is what you're describing and is parochial empathy.
The test is empathy, man. Empathy is the gateway into breaking down racist and sexist walls and realizing that we all have more in common that in difference. Charlie actively advocated against that, reinforcing stereotypes and charging up the fascist belief of "the other".
wrote last edited by [email protected]Can we not take pleasure in knowing vile, evil people have perished and can no longer spread their destructive ideals that will lead to pain and suffering of others?
In doing so, you're spreading vile evil ideals that lead to pain and suffering of others.
The message that it's fair game to murder and hurt people, as long as you view them as "other".
The test is empathy, man.
Exactly!
Charlie actively advocated against that
Pot, meet kettle
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Like the Germans they are starting with the homeless and disabled. In this case the Latino community is being targeted in the same way as the Jewish community was in Germany.
So he's a sionist then. Not a nazi. Stop throwing words around if you don't know what they mean.
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This is maybe the only time it’s ok to be happy someone died.
There was also that one guy who shot himself in an underground bunker in Berlin. Gun violence and suicide are never OK but sometimes they are.
There are many who believe that one guy escaped to Argentina and lived a long life.
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LOL. Meanwhile Glen Beck is crying his eyes out on TV.
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Lmao like they aren't already cheering about people getting deported. Get fucked.
He was a cunt and bled out like one. Fuck him. Just because he's dead doesn't mean he deserves respect. He gets the same respect he gave towards women. Fucking none.
I'm not really celebrating it, but I won't lose any sleep over it.
Ooo, youre so hard...
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Wow, so wise. I always wanted to be slowly, yet methodically killed by right wingers without any fight-back.
Yeah, Im sure moaning online is really showing them who's the boss...
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OK white knight, leave the party if you don't like it or call the cops whatever.
Its white knighting now, to not celebrate the escalation of the dumb as fuck culture wars into actual murder? OK...
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Well, that was just a necessary cost of preserving the second amendment
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️So, youre the same kind of cunt he is? And youre good with that? I dont know, I would have thought seeing how much of a prick he was would put you off being one, but here you are, repeating his talking points like a fucking ghoul...
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Like that wouldn't happen without this. This belief that "if we don't give them an excuse, they won't make things worse" really needs to die. Fascists will do evil things, regardless of what anybody does.
They sound like a battered wife making excuses for their abusive husband.
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Nah, it's the same playbook every time. You have dangerous right wing rhetoric justifying violence (as seen in this thread, even by Kirk himself) that leads to political violence and the right is just "this is deserved" (see J6 or the attack on democratic lawmakers), but when it hits themselves, suddenly political violence is the worst and collective pearl-clutching starts. These people have created a dangerous atmosphere that they can't control and it's backfiring, there was never an attempt from them to defuse it.
People like Kevin Roberts who threaten revolutions with thinly veiled violence etc… btw my personal theory is that Kirk was shot by a right wing lunatic who was disappointed in Kirk's 180 on the Epstein files which went from something like "this is the biggest conspiracy in history, never trust the government" to "I trust my friends in the government" over a weekend. They have created an atmosphere of "you need to fight those in power by any means necessary" and now they find themselves in an awkward spot.
Anyhow, everybody in the thread you replied to just did what Kirk ask them to. Not show empathy, not let the victims emotionally hijack the narrative. He made the world a worse place, I don't know if it's gonna be better without him but I have no reason to believe otherwise.
"Everybody in the thread just did what Kirk asked them to..." And you dont see the problem there?
As for the world being a better place... I highly doubt it, since hes now going to be a rallying cry for action against "the left". Hes a martyr now, a symbol that right wing lunatics while cling to as they march down the streets demanding Trans people are butchered, immigrants, legal and otherwise, are shot in the streets. "We need you, Trump, to do a third term. Its a civil war out here, dont you know?" will be next.
Shooting people is never, ever, your first resort in silencing a voice. Facts and words are. Violence only ever causes more violence. Someone out there today, he never hurt anyone, is going to pay the price for what happened to Kirk. You know its true. You all do. Yet youre all still all over social media happy, and cheering, and back slapping.
In the famous of words of John Wick... "Consequences."
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I hold people like him personally responsible for the violence against POC's and trans people. So yeah, I am going to PARTYYYYYYY
The worst thing you can to do an enemy is kill him. The worst thing he can do to you, is have you become just like him. Something to think about... or ignore, if youre already too far gone.
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"The way to defeat Kirk was with words and facts."
And you scoff like my statement was outlandish.
My gut feeling is this isn't going to be as impactful as people are saying. I remember the media buzz after Trump was almost waxed and we didn't see any (noteworthy) reprisals.
Depends. Jan 6th saw some pretty unhinged people get together with guns and zip ties. It wouldnt take much, for that to have gone a whole lot worse. And now we are seeing right leaders and influencers all over the world mark this as a call for violence against the left. I have a feeling that somebody, somewhere, who has no connection to whats happened, pay the price for whats happened to Kirk.
If nothing else, he'll become a martyr. And that might be the worst thing of all.
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OK, honestly I’m not going to celebrate a murder. But nothing can stop me from appreciating the heck out of the irony.
Yes. I cannot willingly be gleeful of another's death. Physically can't.
A cashier told me in glee when he had been shot. I thought that moment was so representative of where we are now.
Hateful cunts finally getting consequence On one hand, but gleeful at another humans death. Odd feeling.
Systems are broken. Rise in political violence. Tale as old as time..
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I don't give a shit about Charlie Kirk, rest in piss, but my celebration is mildly stunted by the fact that this is a dangerous thing to normalize and this is a massive notch in that direction given how huge of a public figure he was and the nature of his assassination being so public.
Of course, the right is largely responsible for that normalization, and Charlie Kirk's death is actually on people like Charlie Kirk's very hands. However, for me its just the consequences and the dark future that this seems to push us further into.
Hopefully the right fails to capitalize on his death effectively and we move onto largely forgetting about the piece of shit.
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So he's a sionist then. Not a nazi. Stop throwing words around if you don't know what they mean.
I don’t know what “sionisom” is but to answer your question. Nazi, is a good way to describe a genocidal facist. The Nazis do appear to have aligned with Zionist in modern times. Nazism and Zionism are very similar because they both have goals to create a white ethnostate. The brand of nazism we are seeing in the United States is targeting and scapegoating (hallmark of Nazism) the homeless, and Latino communities. People are being disappeared off the streets without due process or accountability. In Germany the worst concentration camps were on foreign soil during the holocaust so the United States shipping people to Africa and El Salvador should worry even the most skeptical critic. RFK has talked openly about sending people with mental illness to camps. He also has openly made blanket statements about autistic people not having a life worth living.
