So you agree with Kirk?

"Everybody in the thread just did what Kirk asked them to..." And you dont see the problem there?

As for the world being a better place... I highly doubt it, since hes now going to be a rallying cry for action against "the left". Hes a martyr now, a symbol that right wing lunatics while cling to as they march down the streets demanding Trans people are butchered, immigrants, legal and otherwise, are shot in the streets. "We need you, Trump, to do a third term. Its a civil war out here, dont you know?" will be next.

Shooting people is never, ever, your first resort in silencing a voice. Facts and words are. Violence only ever causes more violence. Someone out there today, he never hurt anyone, is going to pay the price for what happened to Kirk. You know its true. You all do. Yet youre all still all over social media happy, and cheering, and back slapping.

In the famous of words of John Wick... "Consequences."

How do you unfuck this mess?

Now being massively rude and dehumanizing to others is an active choice one makes, that’s not a outgroup that one is in through any choice but their own.

Unfortunately, this perspective misses a crucial truth. Most abusers have a history of being abused themselves (1). They are trapped in a relentless cycle of anger, rejection, and pain, struggling to escape a reality where kindness feels foreign and unrecognizable. Breaking this cycle is profoundly challenging, as it demands consistent empathy and kindness from others—qualities they initially perceive as weaknesses. This is the very lesson they absorbed in their formative years.

They see their worldview validated as angry mobs of self-proclaimed "good guys" cause and celebrate intentional agitation, hurt, and violence.

If those are "good guys", then there's no good in the world, only power, winners and losers - a logical conclusion, were the premise valid, isn't it?

You’re arguing that the rest of the party should feel bad for the asshole that was kicked out.

Exactly! Vilify behaviour instead of people. Try to protect your friend that's being bullied by supporting his behaviour. Recognize that everyone can be hurt or wronged, as well as can hurt and do wrong.

In other words: be empathic.

I mean, most gang activity comes from young black men, but that does not mean it's racist to talk about it. I think talking about whether to include or exclude "gang violence" from a conversation about mass shootings is appropriate and not offensive in the slightest.

The problem with this is that it will be used to increase violence against non-white cis males.

They’re not being bullied for their behavior, they are being bullied for their existence (unless you’re suggesting one support the bulling behavior). In our current environment there is no shortage of people reinforcing and welcoming the bullying behavior and decrying the existence of the bullied. If it was an issue of unfamiliarity you would have a point but that’s not the environment that exists and I’d prefer to make the bullied feel welcomed than the oppressor with what limited time and resources I have.

We all have choices to make, you seem to have chosen to make the oppressors and bullies feel more welcome with your time.

(Also, your link says that people who are ostracized by others tend to continue that cycle not that people who ostracized others were themselves victims of ostracization in the past. That’s swapping cause-and-effect, and doesn’t support your contention)

They sound like a battered wife making excuses for their abusive husband.

How do you unfuck this mess?

Comical to me how many people in soooooo many posts about this just HAVE to go out of their way to note they aren't celebrating or some blah blah about any human dying.

OK, honestly I’m not going to celebrate a murder. But nothing can stop me from appreciating the heck out of the irony.

Imagine they end up framing luigi for this too

Are you new to the human race? Glee at other's deaths is in our DNA.

Systems aren't broken so much as the last few decades, say from the 1980s to about the mid 2000s, were the unusual thing. Now is normal again compared to the long-term behavior of our unsavory little ape-based species.

We're garbage, the sooner you make peace with that, the easier it gets.

Yes. I cannot willingly be gleeful of another's death. Physically can't.

A cashier told me in glee when he had been shot. I thought that moment was so representative of where we are now.

Hateful cunts finally getting consequence On one hand, but gleeful at another humans death. Odd feeling.

Systems are broken. Rise in political violence. Tale as old as time..

a dog whistle has nothing to do with the facts but a shared agreement between people in the know as to its hidden meaning.

I just read somewhere that... well maybe this was an inside job? The reason being is that since Trump's creepy as fuck birthday letter became public, he needed something big to distract and shut down discussion so he had Kirk shot?

That’s why you just had to go out of your way to point out that gang activity comes from people of color. Not to mention lecturing to people of color about what YOU don’t find offensive. Thank you for your contribution, goodbye.

You sound like a very sad and lonely individual.

During natural disasters where society and infrastructure completely collapses and is destroyed, it is in human DNA to help eachother, collaborate, cooperate, and rebuild. Your 'ape-based species' bullshit is not founded in science, but founded by eugenisists stupid enough to look at apes and say "we're like, the same."

Human history is nothing but a series of people figuring out how to get along with eachother. People who focus on all the war and violence stuff are scary, and need some serious professional help. Yes, I'm talking about you, HugeNerd.

Exactly who could have one iota of care for a shitstain who made a living spewing this type of hateful screed. Rest in Piss indeed.