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    Did he actually say that? That literally what genuine psychopaths say.

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      Yeah. Nobody should have to watch their parent or child die. Guy was a waste of oxygen but I hope the kids get plenty of therapy.

      Moving forward may the world be a slightly better place, where these conservative grifters are tempered slightly by the fear they might end up like Charlie here.

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      They won't be, they will turn the outrage up to 11.

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        I don't give a shit about Charlie Kirk, rest in piss, but my celebration is mildly stunted by the fact that this is a dangerous thing to normalize and this is a massive notch in that direction given how huge of a public figure he was and the nature of his assassination being so public.

        Of course, the right is largely responsible for that normalization, and Charlie Kirk's death is actually on people like Charlie Kirk's very hands. However, for me its just the consequences and the dark future that this seems to push us further into.

        Hopefully the right fails to capitalize on his death effectively and we move onto largely forgetting about the piece of shit.

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        We have a MAGA dictatorship with a corrupt government being led by a literal sex offender, felon, and pedophile. This guy getting shot wasn't murder, it was a heroic attack made in self defense of our nation.

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          Did he actually say that? That literally what genuine psychopaths say.

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          didn't elon musk also say something along the lines? "empathy is a weakness and our demise" or sth like that ...

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            We have a MAGA dictatorship with a corrupt government being led by a literal sex offender, felon, and pedophile. This guy getting shot wasn't murder, it was a heroic attack made in self defense of our nation.

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            Exactly where I'm at. I just hope the next one takes someone actually important., and useful to Project 2025. Fascism isn't defeated with words, it's defeated one bullet at a time. When Fascists are afraid to be fascist, then we will have Liberty again.

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              Your last sentence is what I've been worried about as well. We all know Trump is a blathering idiot, but he's chomping at the bit to use military powers on US soil, and so far has been with no real reason. He could very easily use this as an excuse to further deploy troops and/or push more of his fascist agenda.

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              Didn't he already deploy to Chicago? What excuse is needed when he's already doing so? I don't understand how everybody who portrays your sentiment is so daft/ignorant to what's already going on.

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                Voluntary censorship; this is the world we live in now.

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                Because Humans in this day and age are little more than Livestock for the Billionaires. Well except those in Nepal for the moment, for the moment they have slipped their chains. Hope they can keep them off.

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                  Putin is definitely on that list.

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                  Any and every Oligarch is on my list for sure. May every one of them have a horrifying death that reflects the pain they have directly and indirectly inflicted on the world.

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                    They didn't seem to care when it was Paul Pelosi, or the two democratic politicians that were assassinated in their homes.

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                    They'll care when it's Republican Politicians being paraded through the streets like the politicians in Nepal.

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                      Did he actually say that? That literally what genuine psychopaths say.

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                      I had to look it up. The full context is:

                      So the new communications strategy for Democrats, now that their polling advantage is collapsing in every single state… collapsing in Ohio. It's collapsing even in Arizona. It is now a race where Blake Masters is in striking distance. Kari Lake is doing very, very well. The new communications strategy is not to do what Bill Clinton used to do, where he would say, "I feel your pain." Instead, it is to say, "You're actually not in pain." So let's just, little, very short clip. Bill Clinton in the 1990s. It was all about empathy and sympathy. I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage. But, it is very effective when it comes to politics. Sympathy, I prefer more than empathy. That's a separate topic for a different time.

                      Later on Twitter:

                      The same people who lecture you about 'empathy' have none for the soldiers discharged for the jab, the children mutilated by Big Medicine, or the lives devastated by fentanyl pouring over the border. Spare me your fake outrage, your fake science, and your fake moral superiority.

                      https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-empathy-quote/

                      It's not as bad as the out-of-context quote, but I'm having trouble even wrapping my head around it. I guess the argument is something like:

                      How can you claim to have empathy when you actively ignore or dismiss the pain of these specific groups? Your empathy is not real; it's a political weapon. Fake outrage, fake science, and fake moral superiority used to win arguments and elections.

                      He's not wrong about (many) Democrats. But even setting vaccine denialism aside, the core of favoring 'sympathy over empathy' is kind of unavoidable. It feels like tankie whataboutism: 'Democrat's empathy is fake, therefore, more distanced sympathy is our justified approach'

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                        I firmly believe that there are people who make the world better by dying.

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                        I beleive all life is sacred and that there is always opportunity for reform.

                        But at the end of the day we are defined by our ideas and the actions that back them.

                        If our ideas and actions undermine the greater good then its hard to argue that much is lost when the person that brings that ideology to life is themselves lost.

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                        • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG [email protected]

                          didn't elon musk also say something along the lines? "empathy is a weakness and our demise" or sth like that ...

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                          I'm sensing a pattern.

                          No but seriously, the psychopathic allure of leadership (Forbes, sry just the first link I found) is leading to civilization scale decisions which are 1) out of sync with what a reasonable person wants, 2) counter to general human flourishing.

                          Tech leadership wants us to worry about potential ethical "alignment issues" with a theoretical AGI, but we're already in crisis if those leading us don't share our basic human values.

                          PS. I'm not trying to say psychopaths nonghuman. They're the same species and probably as conscious as I am. I just don't think they're an apt choice to decide matters for humans who do have empathy. Imagine a chef with no sense of taste running a restaurant kind of deal.

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                            Is that a speech of his or just his opinions?

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                            It's a list of the shit he's said in the past, shit he wished to force on everyone else in the US.

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                              Some people say empathy, tolerance, & inclusion are strictly moral values. However this misses that they are also a social contract lest we end up in the paradox of tolerance.

                              Kirk had none for those outside his in-group. Those outside his in-group owe him none in return.

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                              How, exactly, does having empathy lead to toleration of unempathetic ideologies like fascism? It logically would make us even more averse to those kinds of ideas. Dare I say, a dearth of empathy on a societal level leads directly to those places.

                              What a reductive and unnuanced view of the world. I sure hope you are not representative of the rest of the population or we are even more fucked than I thought.

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                                didn't elon musk also say something along the lines? "empathy is a weakness and our demise" or sth like that ...

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                                And then there was this guy who was part of the Nuremberg trials or interviewed a lot of Nazis and tried to figure out what they all have in common, guess what: lack of empathy

                                Found some reference:

                                https://sluggerotoole.com/2018/06/19/evil-i-think-is-the-absence-of-empathy/

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                                  And then there was this guy who was part of the Nuremberg trials or interviewed a lot of Nazis and tried to figure out what they all have in common, guess what: lack of empathy

                                  Found some reference:

                                  https://sluggerotoole.com/2018/06/19/evil-i-think-is-the-absence-of-empathy/

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                                  sociopaths

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                                    I'm sensing a pattern.

                                    No but seriously, the psychopathic allure of leadership (Forbes, sry just the first link I found) is leading to civilization scale decisions which are 1) out of sync with what a reasonable person wants, 2) counter to general human flourishing.

                                    Tech leadership wants us to worry about potential ethical "alignment issues" with a theoretical AGI, but we're already in crisis if those leading us don't share our basic human values.

                                    PS. I'm not trying to say psychopaths nonghuman. They're the same species and probably as conscious as I am. I just don't think they're an apt choice to decide matters for humans who do have empathy. Imagine a chef with no sense of taste running a restaurant kind of deal.

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                                    Imagine a chef with no sense of taste running a restaurant kind of deal.

                                    I gotta remember that one phrase 🙂

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                                      Im not...? Im talking to you like youre celebrating the death of another human being, like a fucking ghoul. No one is asking you to have sympathy, although maybe taking a look at his young kids and having some wouldnt be the worst thing in the world. The problem is the cheering, the celebrating. Someone was murdered because of their opinions. And you think thats a good thing?

                                      All I keep seeing is people quoting Kirk to make it ok for them to act the same way. How does that make you any better? And how do you think it looks to the rest of the world?

                                      Israel thinks Palestinians should be exterminated. Palestinians are Muslim. Muslims, for the most part, are not LGBT friendly. So are you cheering for every dead Palestinian kid you see? I would not, because you understand in that sense that just because they dont hold the same values, it doesnt mean its ok to exterminate them.

                                      But heres Charlie Kirk, outrageous culture war fuckwit, shot to death. And you, and those like you are breaking out the champaign, like your team just scored a touchdown. How the fuck, can you not all see the extremists that the culture war has turned you all into???? You can see it with them, the right, why cant you see it in yourself? You are cheering for a man who was killed because his opinions on certain issues were different to yours. That should fucking alarm you. Actually think about it. Not who he was, or what he said. But think about the fact someone shot and killed someone else because of their political beliefs. And then ask why you are cheering. And then after all, ask what exactly his kids did to deserve having you, and everyone else, cheer the death of their father. Who, by all accounts, did nothing to them but love them.

                                      If you hate Charlie Kirk, and I do/did, the last fucking thing in the world I would want is to be just like him, and start using his opinions and comments to justify me being a shitty person.

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                                      I don’t care

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                                        Here’s the frustration and why this should not be celebrated:

                                        Charlie Kirk spent years dehumanizing people, making lives measurably worse, and profiting from hatred. The cosmic irony of him being shot while calling trans people dangerous and minimizing gun violence feels like the universe delivering a punchline he wrote himself. There’s a cathartic release in seeing someone who seemed untouchable suddenly silenced by the very violence he dismissed.

                                        But that catharsis is blinding, vile, and destructive. Every celebration post, every "rest in piss" meme, every "fucked around and found out" joke is already being screenshot and weaponized. The worst people imaginable, those eager to exploit violence, are being handed exactly what they want: supposed proof that “they were right,” justification for crackdowns, and, most dangerously, a martyr whose blood sanctifies every awful thing he stood for.

                                        Celebration may feel like a dunk on fascism, but in reality it accelerates it. It may feel like strength, but it exposes a movement so strategically bankrupt that it mistakes emotional satisfaction for political victory. Kirk alive was one influencer among many; Kirk dead is a rallying cry that will outlive us all.

                                        The rage at what he represented is justified. But celebrating his death guarantees those very ideas will flourish. American democracy is dying, and a gravedigger falling into the hole is no victory when it only deepens the grave.

                                        His ideas needed to be defeated. Instead, they’ve been immortalized.

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                                          How, exactly, does having empathy lead to toleration of unempathetic ideologies like fascism? It logically would make us even more averse to those kinds of ideas. Dare I say, a dearth of empathy on a societal level leads directly to those places.

                                          What a reductive and unnuanced view of the world. I sure hope you are not representative of the rest of the population or we are even more fucked than I thought.

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                                          When one group proclaims the sadness of tragedy of a great harm upon a member of an intolerant group and the intolerant group refuses or even celebrates that same sort of great harm against the other, that normalizes the one sidedness of that for that society. Calls for reciprocity become decried as politicization

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