Can you please help me clear some doubts regarding LGBTQIA stuff?
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For what it's worth, I am one of those letters and it is somewhat irrelevant to my identity. My identity is the following: human being.
I consider the identity obsession of Gen Z to be mostly narcissistic self-regard. It reflects our society's rampant individualism, where kids have become a lifestyle choice and pampered like fragile consumer objects. I don't have any answers about how to fix any of this. Indeed I'm something of an individualist myself.
Be nice to people, but don't feel the need to indulge their whims if it feels unreasonable.
hey jubliant, do you remember me? Greetings! How are you doing? (In case you do not, we had personal chat)
I consider the identity obsession of Gen Z to be mostly narcissistic self-regard. It reflects our society’s rampant individualism, where kids have become a lifestyle choice and pampered like fragile consumer objects. I don’t have any answers about how to fix any of this. Indeed I’m something of an individualist myself.
this seems a bit to harsh. As I see, most people are overly stimulated, this just makes them react a bit more visibly. This is also because of social media. Some news from other side of globe that you may have never got earlier, or weeks later, you now get that in minutes, and similarly, the friction to post is also very low, so most people feel like "raising voice". Though I do not treat raising voices online to be equivalent to in person voice raising but that is a separate discussion. Maybe individualism is on a rise, because our lives now do not depend much on other people (it still does, now you just do not have to interact with them), so you do not hear about their problems or perspective.
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For what it's worth, I am one of those letters and it is somewhat irrelevant to my identity. My identity is the following: human being.
I consider the identity obsession of Gen Z to be mostly narcissistic self-regard. It reflects our society's rampant individualism, where kids have become a lifestyle choice and pampered like fragile consumer objects. I don't have any answers about how to fix any of this. Indeed I'm something of an individualist myself.
Be nice to people, but don't feel the need to indulge their whims if it feels unreasonable.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I consider the identity obsession of Gen Z
Having a non-cishet identity is not exclusively a Gen Z thing? 🧐 We've existed forever??? There are queer people of literally all ages
Back to the original topic, the various identities are similar to music genres. They're useful when discussing queer topics in nuance. If you're cishet and uninterested in being an ally, they're not for you, just let it be.
To put it in perspective, someone who doesn't listen to metal may just consider anything with distorted guitars "metal" and question why subgenres exist, but two metalheads will definitely care greatly about whether a new band is death metal or folk metal, and a metalhead musician might get even more granular in describing a particular style.
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Hm, where? I only saw you talk about gender vs sex, for which there is no difference in my native language either. And they certainly are closely related to the point where the majority of people identify as the gender corresponding to their sex.
However sexual orientation (such as “straight” or “gay” or “aroace” for example) is an entirely different thing as it describes your attraction to other people.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Even the gender/sex distinction isn't a clear one. When you get into the details biological sex is a very complex topic, and most of the ways you can define someone's sex are mutable (contrary to popular belief)
The split is also often used as a dogwhistle by conservatives who want to be transphobic in polite society, but that's another topic altogether.
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Using they/them by default is already a good start - I would be surprised to learn if neopronouns are a thing at all in languages that don't have gendered pronouns to begin with. they/them is perfectly acceptable to 99+% of people - both cis and LGBT+.
You can just say LGBT or LGBT+. Lots of others are in use but very, very few people will legitimately get mad at you for picking one over any other.
If someone specifically tells you to call them a certain thing, you should call them that thing. Otherwise just stick to they/them.
If someone tells you their sexuality and it is not relevant to you, you have no obligation to ever bring it up again, just as with any form of oversharing.
And as for why some people share these things even though you may personally find it too revealing - that's just down to personal preference. Different things are important to different people in different ways. Some people might go through their life never giving their gender a single thought. Others might base their life around affirming and fighting for it in various ways. Most people are somewhere in the middle. Everyone has a cause they believe in a lot - for some people, this is that cause. As an "Aero Ace" (a term I had to look up - "aromantic asexual" for those who also haven't encountered it), you're probably pretty predisposed to not care about any of this stuff on any significant level.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I've been trans for over a decade and have been VERY active in various queer communities across that time. I don't think I've ever met someone who actually uses neopronouns in that time. I'm not denying they exist but they're certainly rare. The closest was someone who used plural pronouns (we/they), but only when talking in a safe space. Outside that space they use she/her.
What IS fun is using neopronouns in D&D as the DM
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TL;DR - why do we need so many terms? can we all not use just a simplified pronoun system (as explained below, or if someone else comes up with something better), and can we stop adding a sexual preferences as a part of gender, as that is something too personal in my opinion?
I primarily want to understand how it relates to a person's identity.
Before starting, let me partially introduce myself. I am a male, and If I get my terms correctly, I am possibly Aero Ace. I am (possibly) coming of a privilige that my percieved gender identity is same as that of what I accept myself to be. Also, I have not read any literature or watched much content about this stuff. I am not asking anything about why would someone have a "different gender". I just want to understand how it relates to you as a being.
And before going ahead, I am not sure gender is the best word or not. If it is not, please correct me. And I am sorry in advance in case I say stupid or bizzare or straght wrong stuff. Please forgive me if possible.
Also I am quite ramble-y, so reading and understanding what I write may be hard, or non-sensical, so pardon me for that too.
My first question is, why do we have so many terms? I know the answer is somewhat obvious, that everyone has there own preferences, and it may not align with someone else, so to identify themselves, they would get a different label. (kinda like names, if everyone had same names, it would cause confusion) But I also want to ask, Is using a label not somewhat alienating?
Try to understand my perspective, I have almost never mentioned my gender to anyone. Possibly it is because my "attire" says it. Or maybe it is because I am not a very social person, or the fact that I have never had a "personal" conversation with some other person. My general conversational idea is how it goes with siblings - slightly informal, a lot of stupid slander, and jokey stuff, and the actual stuff. If someone comes to me, and mentions there gender, I kinda do not know how to process it. because as I understand, 1 part of gender ideentity is what "orientation" (sorry if it is a bad way to put it, but I want to mean how they dress, or how they want to adressed as) and another is sexual preferences. I understand that If I know there gender, I can atleast address them as they prefer (also I do not know how to do it in general. I am an old school guy, I use they/them/their for people older than me (as a form of honorification), with small children (it is somewhat amusing, and also children like it when they get respeect) and whenever I do not know what gender a person is, or how does that gender prefered to be addressed). But this gave me the thought, that why do we not use the same pronouns for everyone (for example they/them), or maybe 2 pairs, one for formal, one informal, or 1 more pair, for singular and plural. Why do pronouns have to depend on gender?
The second part is sexual prefernces. I do not know much about sex or sexual preferences. I am a young adult, and have not had to know about this for any person that I have met yet. I have never had the interest to know about this for someone, neither have I retained this information. I understand that if you are looking out for partner/s, then you would have to share this, so we would have to use some words for it. But why do we have to keep this as a part of gender. As in, why would I want to share this information with my governments (who do census), or for my visa applications. Should this not just be something personal?
I understand that one reason to have some words for it is inclusivity. If, for example, we want some group to better assimilate with society, and we want to do some "positive discrimination" (I do not know if this is appropriate wording or not, what I mean is for example, reservations, or some other kind of actions to integrate some people in society), then we would need some terms to make rules with. And that makes sense, but then again I feel that revealing your preferences is a bit too revealing. Am I overblowing this? I also understand that completely ditching the sexual part from gender might not be possible today. It would probably require a more accepting society. For example, in most places, gay marriage is still illegal. I do not know why laws have to have laws defining marriage (it may have something to do with subsidies going for marriages, or definitions of families/spouse being used by insurance companies or any other banking system, where your spouse also gets certain benefits/rights), or gay adoption is illegal, but can we not make something like - any reasonable person/s can adopt anyone (where reasonable part is just to maybe seculde criminals, or people with prior histories of child related offences, or if they are not financially stable - but all this is very separate discussion)
If a person tells me their gender, how should I react/respond to it? Is my current line of actions appropriate (just address them with their preferd pronouns, and if I do not know that, use they/them; completely ignore the sexual part of it)
Another thing that I want to ask is, why do some groups use different acronyms? I remeber hearing about this the first time, and the word used was LGBT. Then I heard LGBTQ, then LGBTQIA+, and today I heard LGBTQ2. I presume that since more people are getting aware, and they are trying to express themselves, they need some newer words, and hence the acronym would keep on evolving, if so, is it not a endless exercise? Am I being insensitive If I use one over other (for quite some time, I have been sticking with lgbtqia+, in hope that + means extensions, as in, others, so hopefully it is less excluding than others, but if that is not the case, please correct me.)
edit - moved my summary to the top as tl;dr
I don't know the answer, but I support people as however they identify, I don't care and love them all, but I sort of would feel silly saying I was she/her. Like it's like I'm participating in something that I'm not really a part of.
My 87 year old aunt volunteers for a local theater, which obviously has a lot of queer folks involved, and at one point the coordinator said when the volunteers introduced themselves at a meeting that they should announce their preferred pronouns. I get that the coordinator meant well, but my aunt said it's nobody's business what her pronouns are unless RuPaul is asking. LOL.
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TL;DR - why do we need so many terms? can we all not use just a simplified pronoun system (as explained below, or if someone else comes up with something better), and can we stop adding a sexual preferences as a part of gender, as that is something too personal in my opinion?
I primarily want to understand how it relates to a person's identity.
Before starting, let me partially introduce myself. I am a male, and If I get my terms correctly, I am possibly Aero Ace. I am (possibly) coming of a privilige that my percieved gender identity is same as that of what I accept myself to be. Also, I have not read any literature or watched much content about this stuff. I am not asking anything about why would someone have a "different gender". I just want to understand how it relates to you as a being.
And before going ahead, I am not sure gender is the best word or not. If it is not, please correct me. And I am sorry in advance in case I say stupid or bizzare or straght wrong stuff. Please forgive me if possible.
Also I am quite ramble-y, so reading and understanding what I write may be hard, or non-sensical, so pardon me for that too.
My first question is, why do we have so many terms? I know the answer is somewhat obvious, that everyone has there own preferences, and it may not align with someone else, so to identify themselves, they would get a different label. (kinda like names, if everyone had same names, it would cause confusion) But I also want to ask, Is using a label not somewhat alienating?
Try to understand my perspective, I have almost never mentioned my gender to anyone. Possibly it is because my "attire" says it. Or maybe it is because I am not a very social person, or the fact that I have never had a "personal" conversation with some other person. My general conversational idea is how it goes with siblings - slightly informal, a lot of stupid slander, and jokey stuff, and the actual stuff. If someone comes to me, and mentions there gender, I kinda do not know how to process it. because as I understand, 1 part of gender ideentity is what "orientation" (sorry if it is a bad way to put it, but I want to mean how they dress, or how they want to adressed as) and another is sexual preferences. I understand that If I know there gender, I can atleast address them as they prefer (also I do not know how to do it in general. I am an old school guy, I use they/them/their for people older than me (as a form of honorification), with small children (it is somewhat amusing, and also children like it when they get respeect) and whenever I do not know what gender a person is, or how does that gender prefered to be addressed). But this gave me the thought, that why do we not use the same pronouns for everyone (for example they/them), or maybe 2 pairs, one for formal, one informal, or 1 more pair, for singular and plural. Why do pronouns have to depend on gender?
The second part is sexual prefernces. I do not know much about sex or sexual preferences. I am a young adult, and have not had to know about this for any person that I have met yet. I have never had the interest to know about this for someone, neither have I retained this information. I understand that if you are looking out for partner/s, then you would have to share this, so we would have to use some words for it. But why do we have to keep this as a part of gender. As in, why would I want to share this information with my governments (who do census), or for my visa applications. Should this not just be something personal?
I understand that one reason to have some words for it is inclusivity. If, for example, we want some group to better assimilate with society, and we want to do some "positive discrimination" (I do not know if this is appropriate wording or not, what I mean is for example, reservations, or some other kind of actions to integrate some people in society), then we would need some terms to make rules with. And that makes sense, but then again I feel that revealing your preferences is a bit too revealing. Am I overblowing this? I also understand that completely ditching the sexual part from gender might not be possible today. It would probably require a more accepting society. For example, in most places, gay marriage is still illegal. I do not know why laws have to have laws defining marriage (it may have something to do with subsidies going for marriages, or definitions of families/spouse being used by insurance companies or any other banking system, where your spouse also gets certain benefits/rights), or gay adoption is illegal, but can we not make something like - any reasonable person/s can adopt anyone (where reasonable part is just to maybe seculde criminals, or people with prior histories of child related offences, or if they are not financially stable - but all this is very separate discussion)
If a person tells me their gender, how should I react/respond to it? Is my current line of actions appropriate (just address them with their preferd pronouns, and if I do not know that, use they/them; completely ignore the sexual part of it)
Another thing that I want to ask is, why do some groups use different acronyms? I remeber hearing about this the first time, and the word used was LGBT. Then I heard LGBTQ, then LGBTQIA+, and today I heard LGBTQ2. I presume that since more people are getting aware, and they are trying to express themselves, they need some newer words, and hence the acronym would keep on evolving, if so, is it not a endless exercise? Am I being insensitive If I use one over other (for quite some time, I have been sticking with lgbtqia+, in hope that + means extensions, as in, others, so hopefully it is less excluding than others, but if that is not the case, please correct me.)
edit - moved my summary to the top as tl;dr
I see it like colours, there is an infinite amount of colours, but it makes sense to have a name for the common ones.
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Even the gender/sex distinction isn't a clear one. When you get into the details biological sex is a very complex topic, and most of the ways you can define someone's sex are mutable (contrary to popular belief)
The split is also often used as a dogwhistle by conservatives who want to be transphobic in polite society, but that's another topic altogether.
Both are social constructs.
For example: the mammals class of animals is a social construct, While mammals would still have characteristics like being warm blooded, or not laying eggs, the classification wouldn't exist if people didn't invent it.
Its also not a perfect classification, platypuses lay eggs but are still classified as mammals.Sex is the same, its people who have certain hormones, certain chromosomes or certain genetailia, but there can be people who don't have the "Proper" chromosome / hormone for their sex, but they still are classified as male/female.
I think its important to look at what purpose a social construct serves, Mammals are a social construct, but they still serve a useful purpose (not saying sex/gender serves / doesn't serve a useful purpose).
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TL;DR - why do we need so many terms? can we all not use just a simplified pronoun system (as explained below, or if someone else comes up with something better), and can we stop adding a sexual preferences as a part of gender, as that is something too personal in my opinion?
I primarily want to understand how it relates to a person's identity.
Before starting, let me partially introduce myself. I am a male, and If I get my terms correctly, I am possibly Aero Ace. I am (possibly) coming of a privilige that my percieved gender identity is same as that of what I accept myself to be. Also, I have not read any literature or watched much content about this stuff. I am not asking anything about why would someone have a "different gender". I just want to understand how it relates to you as a being.
And before going ahead, I am not sure gender is the best word or not. If it is not, please correct me. And I am sorry in advance in case I say stupid or bizzare or straght wrong stuff. Please forgive me if possible.
Also I am quite ramble-y, so reading and understanding what I write may be hard, or non-sensical, so pardon me for that too.
My first question is, why do we have so many terms? I know the answer is somewhat obvious, that everyone has there own preferences, and it may not align with someone else, so to identify themselves, they would get a different label. (kinda like names, if everyone had same names, it would cause confusion) But I also want to ask, Is using a label not somewhat alienating?
Try to understand my perspective, I have almost never mentioned my gender to anyone. Possibly it is because my "attire" says it. Or maybe it is because I am not a very social person, or the fact that I have never had a "personal" conversation with some other person. My general conversational idea is how it goes with siblings - slightly informal, a lot of stupid slander, and jokey stuff, and the actual stuff. If someone comes to me, and mentions there gender, I kinda do not know how to process it. because as I understand, 1 part of gender ideentity is what "orientation" (sorry if it is a bad way to put it, but I want to mean how they dress, or how they want to adressed as) and another is sexual preferences. I understand that If I know there gender, I can atleast address them as they prefer (also I do not know how to do it in general. I am an old school guy, I use they/them/their for people older than me (as a form of honorification), with small children (it is somewhat amusing, and also children like it when they get respeect) and whenever I do not know what gender a person is, or how does that gender prefered to be addressed). But this gave me the thought, that why do we not use the same pronouns for everyone (for example they/them), or maybe 2 pairs, one for formal, one informal, or 1 more pair, for singular and plural. Why do pronouns have to depend on gender?
The second part is sexual prefernces. I do not know much about sex or sexual preferences. I am a young adult, and have not had to know about this for any person that I have met yet. I have never had the interest to know about this for someone, neither have I retained this information. I understand that if you are looking out for partner/s, then you would have to share this, so we would have to use some words for it. But why do we have to keep this as a part of gender. As in, why would I want to share this information with my governments (who do census), or for my visa applications. Should this not just be something personal?
I understand that one reason to have some words for it is inclusivity. If, for example, we want some group to better assimilate with society, and we want to do some "positive discrimination" (I do not know if this is appropriate wording or not, what I mean is for example, reservations, or some other kind of actions to integrate some people in society), then we would need some terms to make rules with. And that makes sense, but then again I feel that revealing your preferences is a bit too revealing. Am I overblowing this? I also understand that completely ditching the sexual part from gender might not be possible today. It would probably require a more accepting society. For example, in most places, gay marriage is still illegal. I do not know why laws have to have laws defining marriage (it may have something to do with subsidies going for marriages, or definitions of families/spouse being used by insurance companies or any other banking system, where your spouse also gets certain benefits/rights), or gay adoption is illegal, but can we not make something like - any reasonable person/s can adopt anyone (where reasonable part is just to maybe seculde criminals, or people with prior histories of child related offences, or if they are not financially stable - but all this is very separate discussion)
If a person tells me their gender, how should I react/respond to it? Is my current line of actions appropriate (just address them with their preferd pronouns, and if I do not know that, use they/them; completely ignore the sexual part of it)
Another thing that I want to ask is, why do some groups use different acronyms? I remeber hearing about this the first time, and the word used was LGBT. Then I heard LGBTQ, then LGBTQIA+, and today I heard LGBTQ2. I presume that since more people are getting aware, and they are trying to express themselves, they need some newer words, and hence the acronym would keep on evolving, if so, is it not a endless exercise? Am I being insensitive If I use one over other (for quite some time, I have been sticking with lgbtqia+, in hope that + means extensions, as in, others, so hopefully it is less excluding than others, but if that is not the case, please correct me.)
edit - moved my summary to the top as tl;dr
why do we have so many terms?
The reason I see behind this is hyper individualism. Every one needs to feel special and unique in a group supposed to act in solidarity. I disagree with the amount of terms, especially the slur included, because the community can be summed up with H (homosexual) and B (Bisexual). Everything else has created more infighting within the wider community, and made it feel like a dumping ground for anyone who isn't "cishet" for the sake of inclusion.
Is using a label not somewhat alienating?
I find this to be true, mainly when your label prevents you from interacting with people of the "wrong" label. Which isn't exclusive to the Gay community, and found anywhere people group up.
Why do pronouns have to depend on gender?
The entire purpose of pronouns is to avoid the repetition of a name.
"Sally said that Sally wanted to go to Sally's house to get Sally's medicine."
"Sally said that she wanted to go to her house to get her medicine."
They are dependent on the sex of the subject historically, leading to why they now depend on "gender" in language as we have been moving further from a binary understanding of sex.
Should this not just be something personal?
I think it is something that should be personal. No one needs to know the specifics of my sexual attractions excluding those I wish to be sexual with.
If a person tells me their gender, how should I react/respond to it?
I would say simply thank them for being open with you and do your best to use them. If all else fails people have a name and you can default to that to avoid misgendering someone and hurting them.
why do some groups use different acronyms?
Because there has never been a time where the "Gay community" was a unified community, and different groups with different acronyms tend to heavily disagree on what should be added or omitted. It goes back to the first point of why their are so many labels: Everyone wants to feel like an individual even in cases where they are a part of a group.
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Even the gender/sex distinction isn't a clear one. When you get into the details biological sex is a very complex topic, and most of the ways you can define someone's sex are mutable (contrary to popular belief)
The split is also often used as a dogwhistle by conservatives who want to be transphobic in polite society, but that's another topic altogether.
Yeah. I think sex as a general classifier is not very useful, both in a colloquial and also medical context. I know that firsthand due to taking HRT, which already causes very medically relevant changes but of course not across the board for all sexual characteristics. But I wanted to keep it relatively short
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I see it like colours, there is an infinite amount of colours, but it makes sense to have a name for the common ones.
Yeah, no.
For that we already have names, they're called "names". I have no problem with someone wanting a different pronoun, I have no problem with even a single pronoun for anyone not wanting to fit in the him/her, but all the types wanting a special pronoun njust for them to me is just an attention seeker wanting to feel special.
If you want a (semi) unique word to refer to you, THEN THAT WOULD BE YOUR NAME. I would just refer to you by your name, that's how languages work.
The entire "but MEMEME needs a special pronoun" is friggin annoying and the behavior has pushed a lot of people into the right. Yes, this having me as the source, but the amount of people I've seen hating on the special pronouns and getting more right wing really made this a topic that doesn't do what you think it does. I think it's harmful.
Please, can you just be like everyone else with your pronouns? If we have three sets, say, him, her, and xer for those not wanting to be lumped in with guys and girls... We'd be fine, most people would be fine with this. No more "I want my special snowflake pronoun to be special and awesome" please pretty please.
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this is the comment chain - https://lemmings.world/post/28743360/16394388
Okay, to avoid confusion maybe I should use the same term you used, which is sexual preference, and not sexual orientation. This is what I'm talking about (from your OP):
The second part is sexual prefernces. I do not know much about sex or sexual preferences. I am a young adult, and have not had to know about this for any person that I have met yet. I have never had the interest to know about this for someone, neither have I retained this information. I understand that if you are looking out for partner/s, then you would have to share this, so we would have to use some words for it. But why do we have to keep this as a part of gender. As in, why would I want to share this information with my governments (who do census), or for my visa applications. Should this not just be something personal?
The only one who talks about this in the linked comment chain is the other person, and only tangentially.
So, again I suppose, in which way do you think this is part of gender?
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To preface all this, this is my nonbinary bisexual person's opinion, not speaking for all LGBT+ people by any means
My first question is, why do we have so many terms? I know the answer is somewhat obvious, that everyone has there own preferences, and it may not align with someone else, so to identify themselves, they would get a different label. (kinda like names, if everyone had same names, it would cause confusion) But I also want to ask, Is using a label not somewhat alienating?
Some people like labels, some like to just be themselves. As a cultural difference I've noticed Americans like to divide people by different characteristic more, as a general rule, than people from other places.
I am an old school guy, I use they/them/their for people older than me (as a form of honorification), with small children (it is somewhat amusing, and also children like it when they get respeect) and whenever I do not know what gender a person is, or how does that gender prefered to be addressed).
Then great, you're already doing well!
But this gave me the thought, that why do we not use the same pronouns for everyone (for example they/them), or maybe 2 pairs, one for formal, one informal, or 1 more pair, for singular and plural. Why do pronouns have to depend on gender?
I'm absolutely with you, my person, if it was up to me grammatical gender would be totally abolished.
The second part is sexual prefernces. I do not know much about sex or sexual preferences. I am a young adult, and have not had to know about this for any person that I have met yet. I have never had the interest to know about this for someone, neither have I retained this information. I understand that if you are looking out for partner/s, then you would have to share this, so we would have to use some words for it. But why do we have to keep this as a part of gender. As in, why would I want to share this information with my governments (who do census), or for my visa applications. Should this not just be something personal?
Yes, it shouldn't be something the government cares about, neither should gender. Ideally they shouldn't ask at all, but usually there is a 'prefer not to say' option.
If a person tells me their gender, how should I react/respond to it? Is my current line of actions appropriate (just address them with their preferd pronouns, and if I do not know that, use they/them; completely ignore the sexual part of it)
If respecting a non-trans person's gender would be doing the same things, to you, then sure
Another thing that I want to ask is, why do some groups use different acronyms? I remeber hearing about this the first time, and the word used was LGBT. Then I heard LGBTQ, then LGBTQIA+, and today I heard LGBTQ2. I presume that since more people are getting aware, and they are trying to express themselves, they need some newer words, and hence the acronym would keep on evolving, if so, is it not a endless exercise? Am I being insensitive If I use one over other (for quite some time, I have been sticking with lgbtqia+, in hope that + means extensions, as in, others, so hopefully it is less excluding than others, but if that is not the case, please correct me.)
Even LGBT+ feels a bit unwieldy to me, and yes, the + already includes all the others so the extra letters are for sure unnecessary. I've heard GSM (gender and sexual minorities) as a shorter acronym that doesn't single out any specific identities, that might be better. For sure, I don't like using acronyms with 'queer' in them as some people get offended by that word and an inclusive acronym shouldn't offend people or make them feel 'othered' or 'unusual' for their natural human variation.
I’d never heard of GSM. Is that relatively new? It does feel like it would be much easier to use than the growing acronyms.
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Yeah, no.
For that we already have names, they're called "names". I have no problem with someone wanting a different pronoun, I have no problem with even a single pronoun for anyone not wanting to fit in the him/her, but all the types wanting a special pronoun njust for them to me is just an attention seeker wanting to feel special.
If you want a (semi) unique word to refer to you, THEN THAT WOULD BE YOUR NAME. I would just refer to you by your name, that's how languages work.
The entire "but MEMEME needs a special pronoun" is friggin annoying and the behavior has pushed a lot of people into the right. Yes, this having me as the source, but the amount of people I've seen hating on the special pronouns and getting more right wing really made this a topic that doesn't do what you think it does. I think it's harmful.
Please, can you just be like everyone else with your pronouns? If we have three sets, say, him, her, and xer for those not wanting to be lumped in with guys and girls... We'd be fine, most people would be fine with this. No more "I want my special snowflake pronoun to be special and awesome" please pretty please.
I honestly haven't seen that in years. And even if it was everywhere, does it honestly matter what they prefer to go by? I mean, it's honestly just a pronoun
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Yeah, no.
For that we already have names, they're called "names". I have no problem with someone wanting a different pronoun, I have no problem with even a single pronoun for anyone not wanting to fit in the him/her, but all the types wanting a special pronoun njust for them to me is just an attention seeker wanting to feel special.
If you want a (semi) unique word to refer to you, THEN THAT WOULD BE YOUR NAME. I would just refer to you by your name, that's how languages work.
The entire "but MEMEME needs a special pronoun" is friggin annoying and the behavior has pushed a lot of people into the right. Yes, this having me as the source, but the amount of people I've seen hating on the special pronouns and getting more right wing really made this a topic that doesn't do what you think it does. I think it's harmful.
Please, can you just be like everyone else with your pronouns? If we have three sets, say, him, her, and xer for those not wanting to be lumped in with guys and girls... We'd be fine, most people would be fine with this. No more "I want my special snowflake pronoun to be special and awesome" please pretty please.
I do think neopronouns can be confusing, but it takes literally no effort to use it.
If you really must not use it you can just use singular they, or the person's name. -
I do think neopronouns can be confusing, but it takes literally no effort to use it.
If you really must not use it you can just use singular they, or the person's name.Maybe I'm out of the loop, but what are neopronoums?
I do know the classic she, he. And the new gender neutral "they". Are there more that are starting to be used recently that I don't know about?
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For what it's worth, I am one of those letters and it is somewhat irrelevant to my identity. My identity is the following: human being.
I consider the identity obsession of Gen Z to be mostly narcissistic self-regard. It reflects our society's rampant individualism, where kids have become a lifestyle choice and pampered like fragile consumer objects. I don't have any answers about how to fix any of this. Indeed I'm something of an individualist myself.
Be nice to people, but don't feel the need to indulge their whims if it feels unreasonable.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]This is such a smoothbrained take. No shit the concept of a personal identity is individualistic, it came free with being an individual.
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Yeah, no.
For that we already have names, they're called "names". I have no problem with someone wanting a different pronoun, I have no problem with even a single pronoun for anyone not wanting to fit in the him/her, but all the types wanting a special pronoun njust for them to me is just an attention seeker wanting to feel special.
If you want a (semi) unique word to refer to you, THEN THAT WOULD BE YOUR NAME. I would just refer to you by your name, that's how languages work.
The entire "but MEMEME needs a special pronoun" is friggin annoying and the behavior has pushed a lot of people into the right. Yes, this having me as the source, but the amount of people I've seen hating on the special pronouns and getting more right wing really made this a topic that doesn't do what you think it does. I think it's harmful.
Please, can you just be like everyone else with your pronouns? If we have three sets, say, him, her, and xer for those not wanting to be lumped in with guys and girls... We'd be fine, most people would be fine with this. No more "I want my special snowflake pronoun to be special and awesome" please pretty please.
the amount of people I’ve seen hating on the special pronouns and getting more right wing really made this a topic that doesn’t do what you think it does. I think it’s harmful.
those people are going to hate no matter what. pronouns aren't driving them mad, they're already nutbags.
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Yeah, no.
For that we already have names, they're called "names". I have no problem with someone wanting a different pronoun, I have no problem with even a single pronoun for anyone not wanting to fit in the him/her, but all the types wanting a special pronoun njust for them to me is just an attention seeker wanting to feel special.
If you want a (semi) unique word to refer to you, THEN THAT WOULD BE YOUR NAME. I would just refer to you by your name, that's how languages work.
The entire "but MEMEME needs a special pronoun" is friggin annoying and the behavior has pushed a lot of people into the right. Yes, this having me as the source, but the amount of people I've seen hating on the special pronouns and getting more right wing really made this a topic that doesn't do what you think it does. I think it's harmful.
Please, can you just be like everyone else with your pronouns? If we have three sets, say, him, her, and xer for those not wanting to be lumped in with guys and girls... We'd be fine, most people would be fine with this. No more "I want my special snowflake pronoun to be special and awesome" please pretty please.
I think the problem is that people don't want to be just "other". Because that's what "xer" is.
I am cis and straight, so I don't have full comprehension of what it feels like not to conform to the norm, but even I understand that if we have only one other pronoun, like "xer", it's just saying "the one that isn't the norm", and it doesn't matter if you make it sound like one of the other "normal" pronouns. That doesn't normalize it. It just silently, yet officially and publicly reaffirms its abnormal quality.
We have to realize that there's obviously a floating spectrum here, and people don't fall into predefined buckets sometimes. Some do, but some don't.
The human brain is built and evolved into a categorization machine. What is edible, what isn't. What is attractive, what isn't. What is safe, what isn't. Black and white, good and evil. We want it simple, and we get confused, afraid, and angry when it isn't simple. This is something we must recognize about ourselves, and really work hard to go against if we want to evolve our way of thinking.
This is clearly evident in the way you express yourself here.
THEN THAT WOULD BE YOUR NAME
MEMEME
friggin annoying
Please, can you just be like everyone else
most people would be fine with this
my special snowflake pronoun
Your anger and fear of the complicated shines through much brighter than you might think. I think it's time you sat down and had a big, long thinking about who you want to be and what you really want to say.
Much love to you, and thank you for opening yourself up.
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the amount of people I’ve seen hating on the special pronouns and getting more right wing really made this a topic that doesn’t do what you think it does. I think it’s harmful.
those people are going to hate no matter what. pronouns aren't driving them mad, they're already nutbags.
Nah
People get influenced all the time to change their opinions and attitudes
I think that the pronouns thing from a few years back did a lot of damage and pushed a lot of people to more right wing ideas. It's stupid, of course, it's an annoyance at best, but it has helpt right wing talking heads to have easy material to lure unsuspecting viewers in
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Nah
People get influenced all the time to change their opinions and attitudes
I think that the pronouns thing from a few years back did a lot of damage and pushed a lot of people to more right wing ideas. It's stupid, of course, it's an annoyance at best, but it has helpt right wing talking heads to have easy material to lure unsuspecting viewers in
wrote on last edited by [email protected]People get influenced all the time to change their opinions and attitudes
lol, where do you see this? I see the conservatives sticking to their stupidity through thick and thin. and even when the leopards eat their faces, they're aghast that the leopards shouldn't be eating THEIR faces.
'did a lot of damage' - no it didn't. it upset people who were already upset about gays getting to live in society, get married and not have their heads bashed in by chuds every week.
Nah, get fucked with that. haters gonna hate. they aren't going to wake up one day and turn to hate suddenly, because someone used a pronoun.
These fucks were assholes already.
