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    Expiration dates on salt and water are funny and all, but expiration dates exist because capitalists would disguise spoiled food to maximize profit. And it takes an enforcement regime to make them care about their customer's health. Wasted food is still preferable to wasted life.

    These regulations didn't fall out of a coconut tree.

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    While that's true, most products have a "best by" date instead of an expiration. I worked for a company that bought items past that date from major retailers and resold it at.a discount.

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      Expiration dates on salt and water are funny and all, but expiration dates exist because capitalists would disguise spoiled food to maximize profit. And it takes an enforcement regime to make them care about their customer's health. Wasted food is still preferable to wasted life.

      These regulations didn't fall out of a coconut tree.

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      In the US at least the dates are made up and inconsistent, like having best by, expires, and use by which all mean different things and are not regulated. For the most part they are about the taste and texture of the food, not food safety.

      There is only one food product which does require a date in the US.

      Does Federal Law Require Food Product Dating?

      Except for infant formula, product dating is not required by federal regulations.

      The expiration dates on things that do not spoil like salt were added by capitalists who want you to throw it out so you will buy more. It is abusing the voluntary made up and inconsistent date labeling capitalists came up with to weasel out of being regulated.

      Other countries have regulations, but odds are that they don't apply to salt.

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      • 58008@lemmy.world5 [email protected]

        What exactly happens to salt that makes it "expired"? Some sort of mould from the air growing on it or something?

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        The comapny just wants you to throw it out and buy more if you haven't used it fast enough for them.

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        • O [email protected]

          100% uncontaminated

          IT'S PINK! It's definitely contaminated. Maybe it's got other things things you want in there, but that's still contamination. It's not pure salt.

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          Was it sold as pure NaCl? Probably not...

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            He who controls the salt. Controls the universe

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              We all know salt every salt has 249999998 years before it expires. I mean it's common sense

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              Barium salts might last a bit longer - and there's no "best before" on most salts of nitric acids. They certainly were best before you spotted them...

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                Idiots will throw this in the trash. Businesses will as well.

                I watch a couple of dude's at Lowe's uncapping and draining several hundred bottles of Powerade because they were past expiration. Working retail really got me educated in all the waste in our system. (Someone will scream, "caPiTaLisM!". No, it's a legal/liability thing. And it's dumb.)

                Purchase a thing. Any thing. See all the plastic you brought home? There was 2-3x that much in delivering it to you before you took it off the shelf.

                Been wanting to start a comm on "stop buying shit, here are alternatives". Taking votes for names. I could spend a week posting things I've actually done.

                EDIT: Should note: Trashing goods = tax write off. That's a money saver vs. "donated" or "sold at discount". Yes, it's cheaper to throw shit away than to sell, even at a deep discount.

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                https://youtu.be/4GDLaYrMCFo

                My understanding is that there is no actual reason to think companies could be sued or get in legal trouble for donating expired goods, despite the common misconception otherwise.

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                  Highly relevant

                  https://youtu.be/4GDLaYrMCFo

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                    Idiots will throw this in the trash. Businesses will as well.

                    I watch a couple of dude's at Lowe's uncapping and draining several hundred bottles of Powerade because they were past expiration. Working retail really got me educated in all the waste in our system. (Someone will scream, "caPiTaLisM!". No, it's a legal/liability thing. And it's dumb.)

                    Purchase a thing. Any thing. See all the plastic you brought home? There was 2-3x that much in delivering it to you before you took it off the shelf.

                    Been wanting to start a comm on "stop buying shit, here are alternatives". Taking votes for names. I could spend a week posting things I've actually done.

                    EDIT: Should note: Trashing goods = tax write off. That's a money saver vs. "donated" or "sold at discount". Yes, it's cheaper to throw shit away than to sell, even at a deep discount.

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                    One of the communities I miss from reddit is r/ZeroWaste

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                      Idiots will throw this in the trash. Businesses will as well.

                      I watch a couple of dude's at Lowe's uncapping and draining several hundred bottles of Powerade because they were past expiration. Working retail really got me educated in all the waste in our system. (Someone will scream, "caPiTaLisM!". No, it's a legal/liability thing. And it's dumb.)

                      Purchase a thing. Any thing. See all the plastic you brought home? There was 2-3x that much in delivering it to you before you took it off the shelf.

                      Been wanting to start a comm on "stop buying shit, here are alternatives". Taking votes for names. I could spend a week posting things I've actually done.

                      EDIT: Should note: Trashing goods = tax write off. That's a money saver vs. "donated" or "sold at discount". Yes, it's cheaper to throw shit away than to sell, even at a deep discount.

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                      It's so stupid that they waste it like that. I can only assume that somebody didn't want to be bothered with donating it to a food bank. Seriously though, the amount of time it would take to uncap and pour all that out as opposed to making a couple phone calls. SMH

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                        100% uncontaminated

                        IT'S PINK! It's definitely contaminated. Maybe it's got other things things you want in there, but that's still contamination. It's not pure salt.

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                        One upside is that 250mil years ago nobody threw plastic in the ocean, so not microplastics unlike seasalt

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                          One upside is that 250mil years ago nobody threw plastic in the ocean, so not microplastics unlike seasalt

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                          Looks like it's in a plastic container

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                          • S [email protected]

                            Idiots will throw this in the trash. Businesses will as well.

                            I watch a couple of dude's at Lowe's uncapping and draining several hundred bottles of Powerade because they were past expiration. Working retail really got me educated in all the waste in our system. (Someone will scream, "caPiTaLisM!". No, it's a legal/liability thing. And it's dumb.)

                            Purchase a thing. Any thing. See all the plastic you brought home? There was 2-3x that much in delivering it to you before you took it off the shelf.

                            Been wanting to start a comm on "stop buying shit, here are alternatives". Taking votes for names. I could spend a week posting things I've actually done.

                            EDIT: Should note: Trashing goods = tax write off. That's a money saver vs. "donated" or "sold at discount". Yes, it's cheaper to throw shit away than to sell, even at a deep discount.

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                            Of course it's capitalism. Companies do dumb shit to avoid getting sued

                            edit: my bad. Actually, these companies are being overly cautious because they care about you. LOL

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                              A lot of these laws have to do with expected lifetime in "worst plausible storage conditions", like poorly sealed boxes and wrong temperature and humidity

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                              Yup, each batch needs to be stored in controlled conditions for the entire length of the expiration period. Many times the product expiration period is much longer, but controlled storage isn't cheap, so just companies just do the minimum required by them.

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                                One upside is that 250mil years ago nobody threw plastic in the ocean, so not microplastics unlike seasalt

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                                It's in a plastic container and was processed by heavy machinery. There's definitely micro plastics and other fine particle contamination in there.

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                                  It's so stupid that they waste it like that. I can only assume that somebody didn't want to be bothered with donating it to a food bank. Seriously though, the amount of time it would take to uncap and pour all that out as opposed to making a couple phone calls. SMH

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                                  A lot of managers would rather dump the product than let someone benefit from it for free.

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                                  • 58008@lemmy.world5 [email protected]

                                    What exactly happens to salt that makes it "expired"? Some sort of mould from the air growing on it or something?

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                                    If enough humidity over time gets in there, the salt can start caking and forming larger crystal clumps. However, the salt itself isn't damaged by that process and will work fine if broken back up and used in the quality you need.

                                    A best by date here would be a notice from the manufacturer that the product should be shelf stable at least that long before "degrading".

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                                      https://youtu.be/4GDLaYrMCFo

                                      My understanding is that there is no actual reason to think companies could be sued or get in legal trouble for donating expired goods, despite the common misconception otherwise.

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                                      When I worked at a Hollywood Video (so a long time ago) we were told we had to discard expired concession products because of chargebacks. Part of the chargeback process was destroying the product because the business was getting credit for it from the supplier/manufacturer.

                                      I believe if you process it as a chargeback and donate it, you'd be committing fraud.

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                                      • 58008@lemmy.world5 [email protected]

                                        What exactly happens to salt that makes it "expired"? Some sort of mould from the air growing on it or something?

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                                        Over time the salt crystals will fuse together (form clumps) because of moisture in the air. Sugar does the same thing. The clumps can be easily broken up and are still perfectly edible, but clumps in new product would be considered a quality issue.

                                        Edit: this is an educated guess as what that best before date means, but I'm actually not a 100% certain. I'm not from the sector.

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                                        • 58008@lemmy.world5 [email protected]

                                          What exactly happens to salt that makes it "expired"? Some sort of mould from the air growing on it or something?

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                                          Quiet you. These artificial expiration dates are the only way I can ever clean out the pantry without my SO freaking out.

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