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    American Dr Mark Perlmutter, who has volunteered in Gaza, says one of his Palestinian colleagues was taken by Israeli occupation forces, had his fingers shattered and was told to confess to being a member of Hamas or have his wife gang raped in front of him.

    Soldiers 'crushed' his fingers, Perlmutter explains, adding that they also threatened to 'send a drone to your bedroom window and incinerate your children.' The doctor did not confess and spent 11 months being tortured in Israeli detention.

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      American Dr Mark Perlmutter, who has volunteered in Gaza, says one of his Palestinian colleagues was taken by Israeli occupation forces, had his fingers shattered and was told to confess to being a member of Hamas or have his wife gang raped in front of him.

      Soldiers 'crushed' his fingers, Perlmutter explains, adding that they also threatened to 'send a drone to your bedroom window and incinerate your children.' The doctor did not confess and spent 11 months being tortured in Israeli detention.

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      I don't understand the point of that, honestly. Torturing someone (thus punishing them regardless) into confessing, coaxing a confession out of someone making the confession itself highly incredulous. What's the point?

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        I don't understand the point of that, honestly. Torturing someone (thus punishing them regardless) into confessing, coaxing a confession out of someone making the confession itself highly incredulous. What's the point?

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        The point is to kill and torture these people. Calling them terrorists is a tried and true tactic.

        They will call him Hamas whether he confesses or not and then say they killed another Hamas terrorist.

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          I don't understand the point of that, honestly. Torturing someone (thus punishing them regardless) into confessing, coaxing a confession out of someone making the confession itself highly incredulous. What's the point?

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          The BBC and New York times will publish the confession uncritically to manufacture consent for Israel torturing doctors.

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            I don't understand the point of that, honestly. Torturing someone (thus punishing them regardless) into confessing, coaxing a confession out of someone making the confession itself highly incredulous. What's the point?

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            The point is they need to make terrorists to justify self defense to make more terrorists to take more land.

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              I don't understand the point of that, honestly. Torturing someone (thus punishing them regardless) into confessing, coaxing a confession out of someone making the confession itself highly incredulous. What's the point?

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              To justify and legitimise what they're doing. If someone is a member of Hamas, in the eyes of the world they're a terrorist and therefore not human, not entitled to rights, etc. They can be tortured, killed etc and noone cares.

              This is why Trump is going after 'Hamas supporters', not Palestinian supporters.

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                American Dr Mark Perlmutter, who has volunteered in Gaza, says one of his Palestinian colleagues was taken by Israeli occupation forces, had his fingers shattered and was told to confess to being a member of Hamas or have his wife gang raped in front of him.

                Soldiers 'crushed' his fingers, Perlmutter explains, adding that they also threatened to 'send a drone to your bedroom window and incinerate your children.' The doctor did not confess and spent 11 months being tortured in Israeli detention.

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                That headline seems like a bit of a catch 22. If he says he’s Hamas, he becomes a “legitimate” target.

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                  I don't understand the point of that, honestly. Torturing someone (thus punishing them regardless) into confessing, coaxing a confession out of someone making the confession itself highly incredulous. What's the point?

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                  The point is cutely and supremacy. Everyone knows torture doesn't work when it comes to extracting information, even the Nazis knew that much. What they want is to instill fear and terror into every Palestinian. That's why the IDF routinely kidnaps Palestinians, including children, without any evidence or fair trial, to incarcerate them indefinitely in torture prisons that are more inhumane than we can possibly imagine.

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                    I don't understand the point of that, honestly. Torturing someone (thus punishing them regardless) into confessing, coaxing a confession out of someone making the confession itself highly incredulous. What's the point?

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                    Because it’s a genocide.

                    If he confesses they’re justified because “he was totally hamas” if he holds out they’re justified because “he’s a highly trained hamas agent”.

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                      That headline seems like a bit of a catch 22. If he says he’s Hamas, he becomes a “legitimate” target.

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                      That's the point.

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                        If you refuse to tell us your Hamas, we'll be forced to murder your family.

                        If you tell us your Hamas, we'll be obligated to murder your family.

                        Totally different scenarios.

                        Genociders gonna genocide.

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                          Makes a lot of sense that the IDF are the same people largely training cops in the US. Conflicting logic and orders so no matter what they get to shoot.

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                            I don't understand the point of that, honestly. Torturing someone (thus punishing them regardless) into confessing, coaxing a confession out of someone making the confession itself highly incredulous. What's the point?

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                            many reaons. two I can think of

                            1- either killing or terrorising/traumatizing everyone so that they leave their country so that settlers can overtake more easily
                            2- creating international casus belli for bombing hospitals

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                              I don't understand the point of that, honestly. Torturing someone (thus punishing them regardless) into confessing, coaxing a confession out of someone making the confession itself highly incredulous. What's the point?

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                              To push them into breaking so when you kill them you can say that the torture is justified.

                              Hamas is an excuse, the genocide will happen regardless

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                                American Dr Mark Perlmutter, who has volunteered in Gaza, says one of his Palestinian colleagues was taken by Israeli occupation forces, had his fingers shattered and was told to confess to being a member of Hamas or have his wife gang raped in front of him.

                                Soldiers 'crushed' his fingers, Perlmutter explains, adding that they also threatened to 'send a drone to your bedroom window and incinerate your children.' The doctor did not confess and spent 11 months being tortured in Israeli detention.

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                                These days feel like an 'Are we the baddies?' moment for the US

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                                  The point is to kill and torture these people. Calling them terrorists is a tried and true tactic.

                                  They will call him Hamas whether he confesses or not and then say they killed another Hamas terrorist.

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                                  Why torture though? Just kill him if that's the point.

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                                    American Dr Mark Perlmutter, who has volunteered in Gaza, says one of his Palestinian colleagues was taken by Israeli occupation forces, had his fingers shattered and was told to confess to being a member of Hamas or have his wife gang raped in front of him.

                                    Soldiers 'crushed' his fingers, Perlmutter explains, adding that they also threatened to 'send a drone to your bedroom window and incinerate your children.' The doctor did not confess and spent 11 months being tortured in Israeli detention.

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                                    Data you get from people by using torture is automatically invalid.
                                    When are we finally going to consider this the war crime it is?

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                                      These days feel like an 'Are we the baddies?' moment for the US

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                                      Always have been. Hitler said himself he was inspired by the American way of treating people of colour.

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                                        Why torture though? Just kill him if that's the point.

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                                        Because they're sadistic fucks

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                                          If you refuse to tell us your Hamas, we'll be forced to murder your family.

                                          If you tell us your Hamas, we'll be obligated to murder your family.

                                          Totally different scenarios.

                                          Genociders gonna genocide.

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                                          Boy. Im so happy that religious nut bags are using my tax dollars to kill children. /s

                                          Honestly, if there is a hell. A lot of the American Christians are going to burn in it.

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