France’s far-right leader Le Pen guilty of embezzlement in ruling that could end her career
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Classic right wing thinking means that the to them morally righteous can do no wrong, so convictions of embezzlement don't matter. Laws are there only to punish the undeserving, meaning everyone not in the in-group.
The liberals should be upholding the law and throw these people in jail. If fraud pays, of course the right wingers will abuse it.
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Damn, that's good. Thanks!
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5 years ineligibility means she can't run for president in 2027 or for another MP seat. It means others will take over and gain visibility over her.
She's not going to prison, she gets an ankle monitor and house arrest I believe.
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Classic right wing thinking means that the to them morally righteous can do no wrong, so convictions of embezzlement don't matter. Laws are there only to punish the undeserving, meaning everyone not in the in-group.
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Same way Trump's "political aspirations" need to be ended
This is about France and not the USA.
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That's the thing: laws that only in practice apply to the riff-raff can stop things like the copper demanding a bribe for not to fining somebody for speeding or the hygene inspector wanting something-something not to close down a restaurant - i.e. the kind of everyday widespread corruption that everybody sooner or later comes in contact with in some countries in Africa and South America - but does nothing to stop the really big, broadest impact corruption that affects the whole country sometimes holding it back or even dragging it down for generations, like putting certain clauses in Environmental legislation to allow highly destructive activities by certain companies, making sure certain markets are monopolies or tight cartels, selling state assets (such as during privatisations) at "friendly prices" to the "right people", or making sure multimillionaire or even billionaire military procurement contracts go to certain companies.
This shit is often far too subtle for most people to spot it or fully understand its impact but can have big effects in the lives of just about everybody in a country and then people for example just go around feeling that their money doesn't seem to go as far as before not putting two and two together to figure out they're dieing the death of a thousand cuts as monopolies and cartels which should never have existed without corrupt legislation bleed them out, are dying younger because of avoidable air polution or exploitative private healthcare systems all possible thanks to legislation designed together by crooked politicians and lobbyists, feel their quality of life is much less than before as most public spaces have been made sold to private interest, and so on.
What's happening in France (and has been happening for a while - both Sarkozy and the guy before him ended up convicted for their crimes) is actually a very good thing and needs to carry on happening, with as you say equal treatment for all and no velvet glove treatment for "VIP" types.
This shit is often far too subtle for most people to spot it or fully understand its impact but can have big effects in the lives of just about everybody in a country and then people for example just go around feeling that their money doesn't seem to go as far as before not putting two and two together to figure out they're dieing the death of a thousand cuts as monopolies and cartels which should never have existed without corrupt legislation bleed them out, are dying younger because of avoidable air polution or exploitative private healthcare systems all possible thanks to legislation designed together by crooked politicians and lobbyists, feel their quality of life is much less than before as most public spaces have been made sold to private interest, and so on.
This hits so hard. Honestly your entire thread is fantastic, I'd say you should package this up into an essay and see if you can't get it published in some op-ed sections.
More people need to understand the difference between big C corruption and small scale corruption and how the former affords the latter legitimacy. In america we are at the crossroads of institutional corruption finally becoming so blatant that the smaller structures will be able to follow suit without fear of stigma. The big guy gets his palms greased; it's common sense that the little guy should get his too.
Therein lies the "slippery slope" that opens the floodgates to beat cops shaking someone down in a traffic stop for lunch money. It doesn't come from the bottom up but from the top down. The most powerful officials will have the most leeway to embezzle and defraud and shake down what or whomever they see fit. Those below them are free to find their own means to enrich themselves from their position of authority, and so it goes all the way down to the lowest enforcer of this state of affairs. As long as they don't disturb the affairs of their superiors, they are free to wheel and deal as they wish.
Once it has reached the general population and begins affecting their daily lives it is already too late. The traffic stop on your work commute is now a natural occurrence and you begin to carry a purse just to ensure safe passage, because you can't simply report this to the precinct.
I fear we are not too far from reaching this point. A few years may be all we have left to prevent the system being permanently, irreparably damaged.
We had our opportunity to let the power structure play out and it failed to hold the most powerful in the country accountable for any of their crimes. What's happening in France gives hope that the rest of the world will take this threat seriously and begin strengthening their countries against these threats. America has already proven itself incapable of enforcing the law. I'm not sure how we go about amending that from within.
I'd need to do more study on Portugal to understand how you managed to overturn such a corrupt system in modern times but I hope your message can reach more people and open enough minds to bring us out of this descent into kleptocracy.
The first step, I'd imagine, is making everyone aware. My hope is that it doesn't take all 300 million people in America personally witnessing the corruption first hand to create a popular uprising for change.
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Summary
A French court found far-right leader Marine Le Pen guilty of embezzling over €3 million in EU funds, potentially ending her 2027 presidential bid.
The judge ruled Le Pen and 24 others misused European Parliament funds between 2004 and 2016 to pay National Rally party staff, calling it a deliberate scheme, not an error.
Prosecutors had sought five years’ prison and a public office ban. Even with an appeal, a provisional execution could bar her candidacy.
She can steal appeal. Hope she loses harder then.
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5 years ineligibility means she can't run for president in 2027 or for another MP seat. It means others will take over and gain visibility over her.
Yea, 2 years house arrest. Big deal.
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Summary
A French court found far-right leader Marine Le Pen guilty of embezzling over €3 million in EU funds, potentially ending her 2027 presidential bid.
The judge ruled Le Pen and 24 others misused European Parliament funds between 2004 and 2016 to pay National Rally party staff, calling it a deliberate scheme, not an error.
Prosecutors had sought five years’ prison and a public office ban. Even with an appeal, a provisional execution could bar her candidacy.
Good, she’s an awful person.
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Summary
A French court found far-right leader Marine Le Pen guilty of embezzling over €3 million in EU funds, potentially ending her 2027 presidential bid.
The judge ruled Le Pen and 24 others misused European Parliament funds between 2004 and 2016 to pay National Rally party staff, calling it a deliberate scheme, not an error.
Prosecutors had sought five years’ prison and a public office ban. Even with an appeal, a provisional execution could bar her candidacy.
I wonder if she'll write a book about her struggle
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Ohh edgy
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That's not moving goalposts. Your original comment was stating the system was sound because the politician was convicted. The person you are replying to was refuting that based on other failures of the french court system.
Good point. Original Commenter (OC) is claiming a specificity after the fact when initially they were claiming a generality.
As a reader though, OC's meaning came across in my first reading. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I wonder if she'll write a book about her struggle
Ma Lutte?
Sounds like a medieval guitar.
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Summary
A French court found far-right leader Marine Le Pen guilty of embezzling over €3 million in EU funds, potentially ending her 2027 presidential bid.
The judge ruled Le Pen and 24 others misused European Parliament funds between 2004 and 2016 to pay National Rally party staff, calling it a deliberate scheme, not an error.
Prosecutors had sought five years’ prison and a public office ban. Even with an appeal, a provisional execution could bar her candidacy.
provisional execution could bar her candidacy.
Well, execution will definitely put a crimp in her political plans.
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Instead the Felon is now President, collapsing the economy, threatening sovereignty of multiple countries and likely to start a civil war... much better
It is better, it is our destiny. Decided by and for the people. The quality of our lives may improve or deteriorate but it's our destiny and there is nothing "better" than that.
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If she's banned from running it will be the first instance of a western liberal country reacting appropriately to the resurgence of fascism. Good on France.
Nah, not the first.
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Summary
A French court found far-right leader Marine Le Pen guilty of embezzling over €3 million in EU funds, potentially ending her 2027 presidential bid.
The judge ruled Le Pen and 24 others misused European Parliament funds between 2004 and 2016 to pay National Rally party staff, calling it a deliberate scheme, not an error.
Prosecutors had sought five years’ prison and a public office ban. Even with an appeal, a provisional execution could bar her candidacy.
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This is about France and not the USA.
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Summary
A French court found far-right leader Marine Le Pen guilty of embezzling over €3 million in EU funds, potentially ending her 2027 presidential bid.
The judge ruled Le Pen and 24 others misused European Parliament funds between 2004 and 2016 to pay National Rally party staff, calling it a deliberate scheme, not an error.
Prosecutors had sought five years’ prison and a public office ban. Even with an appeal, a provisional execution could bar her candidacy.
Is Trump now going to demand that the French government pardon her?
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It is better, it is our destiny. Decided by and for the people. The quality of our lives may improve or deteriorate but it's our destiny and there is nothing "better" than that.
Well the "destiny" you chose for yourselves is burning the world ... "We" certainly didn't choose that
