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  • P [email protected]

    If you think about it, its always a separate app. WIndows Explorer is an app and so is Dolphin on KDE. ls is an app.
    Android just has a bit of an identity problem with how to present files. Considering its made for the most common denominator, and everything revolves around 'apps' now, the concept of files, what they are and what they do is new to many. Most people wont even consider the photo they took is a file. Its a photo, not a file, what are you talking about?. So I'm not surprised the representation of files is on the lower priority list.
    I'm old school, I want to know where everything is in the file system and this part of android messes with me.

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    I guess I meant that it shouldn't require a 3rd party app. When I discovered and began using Solid Explorer, there wasn't even a viable system app for file management in Android, you had to use a 3rd party app. They did eventually add a system app, but it's next to useless.

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      I guess I meant that it shouldn't require a 3rd party app. When I discovered and began using Solid Explorer, there wasn't even a viable system app for file management in Android, you had to use a 3rd party app. They did eventually add a system app, but it's next to useless.

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      Oh, Samsung has a files app. I just assumed all vendors provide one. I dont consider this third party though.
      I guess it would be similar if you used GNOME and it didnt come with the app 'Files'. Linux isnt a desktop so there wouldnt be any system app for files either, just the CLI. Does stock Android provide a system files app? I cant find it.

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        must be hard to find the download folder

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          Oh, Samsung has a files app. I just assumed all vendors provide one. I dont consider this third party though.
          I guess it would be similar if you used GNOME and it didnt come with the app 'Files'. Linux isnt a desktop so there wouldnt be any system app for files either, just the CLI. Does stock Android provide a system files app? I cant find it.

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          I'm using a Samsung device now as well, but as I recall, my last Pixel phone did have a very basic files app. But stock Android didn't always - I was using ES File Explorer and eventually Solid Explorer on my HTC phones back in the day to restore basic functionality.

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            I'm sorry I don't know how to traverse the FS by fucking. Can you show me 😉

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            #181

            You thought I was making shit up?

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            • L [email protected]

              I literally do this on my Android, what are you people on about. My download go into my Downloads folder. I can browse my phone just like a computer....

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              Good for you lol

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                If you think about it, its always a separate app. WIndows Explorer is an app and so is Dolphin on KDE. ls is an app.
                Android just has a bit of an identity problem with how to present files. Considering its made for the most common denominator, and everything revolves around 'apps' now, the concept of files, what they are and what they do is new to many. Most people wont even consider the photo they took is a file. Its a photo, not a file, what are you talking about?. So I'm not surprised the representation of files is on the lower priority list.
                I'm old school, I want to know where everything is in the file system and this part of android messes with me.

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                "Akshually, photo is not a file" is how iOS did it. Blew my mind when I tried to sync my files (Syncthing/Möbius) and it would not show any of the photos in file lists. Apparently it's for "security reasons".

                This was several years ago so IDK if it's the same still.

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                  I'm sorry I don't know how to traverse the FS by fucking. Can you show me 😉

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                  #184

                  took me a while to understand what you had written. Had a good laugh 🙂

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                    That person wants to find a file used by a certain package.

                    You gave them a command to find a file shipped in a certain package.

                    Those are not the same things so no, you did not gave them what they wanted, as they clearly demonstrated by showing you that a file that they know is used by a certain packaged is not listed by the command you gave them when applied to that package.

                    You de facto did not solve that person's problem yet have repeatedly insisted you did:

                    Are you an LLM?!

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                    Re read their original.messsage. they specifically asked for, and I quote, "install paths". You're going to have to work on reading comprehension before accusing people of being LLMs.

                    Meanwhile, every single time they replied they used the command wrong... Provided the wrong value for the arguments. Despite the original instructions. Yeah, it didn't work for them. That's a skills issue.

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                      We call it Linux.

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                      obviously

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                      • P [email protected]

                        Android? you mean iphone maybe. i can directly access the file directory of Android both from an app or from my PC with a USB connection.

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                        That file directory is a hot mess, though.

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                          must be hard to find the download folder

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                          • the upload widget when trying to find that PDF you just saved
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                            That file directory is a hot mess, though.

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                            yeah, i figure I'd kill myself if my PC was structured like that. but for a phone it does the job and if you need something it's not that hard to find it really.

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                              Do I really need to remind this is free software made by benevolent developers?
                              I get it it's infuriating but it's still in some way a gift you were given and seem unhappy with.

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                              There is a lot of entitlement around free software. People expecting free things, often written in someone's spare time, to be really polished just don't understand I guess. On top of that, good documentation is hard to write and sometimes it's a completely different skill than writing the software itself.

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                              • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.comG [email protected]

                                It's a tool that you don't understand how to use and choose to blame the people building it for free failing to properly document their tool.

                                Ftfy

                                Just because it's provided free doesn't mean you're off the hook for not telling people how it works, dumbass

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                                Why so hostile and the name calling..? They're saying it's a lot of work for oftentimes a single person to do. That's just the truth.

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                                  I think you can use ADB to access those folders

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                                  You typically won't have permission to write them with ADB.

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                                    Why so hostile and the name calling..? They're saying it's a lot of work for oftentimes a single person to do. That's just the truth.

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                                    You're a fantastic idiot if that's what you actually think. That's not what they're saying nor relevant to the discussion at all

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                                      I use a little app called X-plore. Gives me treed lists of folder contents and allows moving, copying, and deleting stuff.

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                                      • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.comG [email protected]

                                        You're a fantastic idiot if that's what you actually think. That's not what they're saying nor relevant to the discussion at all

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                                        Yikes. Not sure why I expected anything else.

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                                          Yikes. Not sure why I expected anything else.

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                                          Cuz you're a moron

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