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    If you can, leave your phone at home

    That's it! There's the answer!

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    And ideally, ask a friend to use it and do recordable things on it, like making social media posts or taking pictures, that records the phone’s location. That way, the phone has a recorded history of you being elsewhere, while you’re at the protest. An alibi.

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      Its a balancing act. You shouldn't be recording tiktoks and doing the carlton.

      But there is a lot of value in organizers being able to communicate. If you see a fat white kid with an assault rifle, you let people know. Same with when the paddy wagons roll in.

      And there is a LOT of value in being able to make it clear to the cops that you are recording before they decide to "teach some people a lesson".

      I chat about this with my activist buddies a lot. And one thing we are increasingly realizing is that there is a LOT of value in convincing even a mid-tier IRL streamer to come out. Yeah, they are fucking obnoxious when they are trying to yell to chat. But it is someone who is high enough profile that they won't immediately have their gear destroyed AND privileged enough that they won't even realize that is an option until it is too late. At which point the decision as to how to handle the escalation is already happening.

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      Just an aside that Paddy wagons is pretty racist.

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        Just an aside that Paddy wagons is pretty racist.

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        Every sourcing I have seen comes more from the UK as a way to shorten patrol and the argument that it is an ethnic slur against Irish people is similar to "cracker" in that.. can you REALLY be that racist against the oppressors?

        But tweaked anyway. Thanks.

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          Every sourcing I have seen comes more from the UK as a way to shorten patrol and the argument that it is an ethnic slur against Irish people is similar to "cracker" in that.. can you REALLY be that racist against the oppressors?

          But tweaked anyway. Thanks.

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          Yeah racism doesn't apply to whypepo

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            Every sourcing I have seen comes more from the UK as a way to shorten patrol and the argument that it is an ethnic slur against Irish people is similar to "cracker" in that.. can you REALLY be that racist against the oppressors?

            But tweaked anyway. Thanks.

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            Irish people were actually considered "non-white" throughout most of the history of race as a concept. They were only recently recategorized by racists when they felt their numbers dwindling and decided to expand the tent a little.

            Irish people have suffered from a history of explicitly racist oppression; calling them "the oppressors" flies directly in the face of history. Their skin colour may be white, but the history of their relationship with race as a power structure is far more complex.

            This does not mean that it's impossible for Irish people to be racist themselves, or for Irish people to embrace "white" as an identity. Race is complicated; that's exactly why trying to adopt simplistic attitudes to it never works.

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              Its a balancing act. You shouldn't be recording tiktoks and doing the carlton.

              But there is a lot of value in organizers being able to communicate. If you see a fat white kid with an assault rifle, you let people know. Same with when the paddy wagons roll in.

              And there is a LOT of value in being able to make it clear to the cops that you are recording before they decide to "teach some people a lesson".

              I chat about this with my activist buddies a lot. And one thing we are increasingly realizing is that there is a LOT of value in convincing even a mid-tier IRL streamer to come out. Yeah, they are fucking obnoxious when they are trying to yell to chat. But it is someone who is high enough profile that they won't immediately have their gear destroyed AND privileged enough that they won't even realize that is an option until it is too late. At which point the decision as to how to handle the escalation is already happening.

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              The guide seems to be aimed at attendees, rather than organizers and media. If someone is showing up to add their voice to the protest, then leaving their phone at home is an ideal way to minimize their footprint.

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                Its a balancing act. You shouldn't be recording tiktoks and doing the carlton.

                But there is a lot of value in organizers being able to communicate. If you see a fat white kid with an assault rifle, you let people know. Same with when the paddy wagons roll in.

                And there is a LOT of value in being able to make it clear to the cops that you are recording before they decide to "teach some people a lesson".

                I chat about this with my activist buddies a lot. And one thing we are increasingly realizing is that there is a LOT of value in convincing even a mid-tier IRL streamer to come out. Yeah, they are fucking obnoxious when they are trying to yell to chat. But it is someone who is high enough profile that they won't immediately have their gear destroyed AND privileged enough that they won't even realize that is an option until it is too late. At which point the decision as to how to handle the escalation is already happening.

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                Hmm if it's a smartphone, their location can still be tracked even if they're not recording videos for social media. I've never attended a protest, but one of my younger siblings has. I agree with the author here: don't take a smartphone with you. If you need to go to a protest, and it's a charged topic (i.e. people have been fired or detained for it), take a dumb phone and make calls once you're considerably away from the protest's meeting site. Or, buy a burner phone for use only at the meeting site. If video footage is that big of a deal, take an old-fashioned video camera to record.

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                  Just an aside that Paddy wagons is pretty racist.

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                  That's so old-school racist it doesn't count anymore, like Irish_Americans give a shit in 2025. You're diluting the word, making it worth less.

                  This is what people mean when they say, "You can't say anything anymore!" They're not mad they can't say n*****, they're mad because of silly shit like this. If everything is racist, language becomes a minefield, impossible to keep up with and navigate.

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                    If you can, leave your phone at home

                    That's it! There's the answer!

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                    Ideally also leave your car at home and take public transit while paying with cash or walk. CCTV and facial recognition are still issues, but you would be reducing your fingerprint a ton.

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                      Hmm if it's a smartphone, their location can still be tracked even if they're not recording videos for social media. I've never attended a protest, but one of my younger siblings has. I agree with the author here: don't take a smartphone with you. If you need to go to a protest, and it's a charged topic (i.e. people have been fired or detained for it), take a dumb phone and make calls once you're considerably away from the protest's meeting site. Or, buy a burner phone for use only at the meeting site. If video footage is that big of a deal, take an old-fashioned video camera to record.

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                      What is this "vid-eo chimera" you speak of? Some ancient technology from the Mayans? /j

                      But seriously, unless there's some reason to stream live, old tricks are sometimes still the best tricks.

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                        Its a balancing act. You shouldn't be recording tiktoks and doing the carlton.

                        But there is a lot of value in organizers being able to communicate. If you see a fat white kid with an assault rifle, you let people know. Same with when the paddy wagons roll in.

                        And there is a LOT of value in being able to make it clear to the cops that you are recording before they decide to "teach some people a lesson".

                        I chat about this with my activist buddies a lot. And one thing we are increasingly realizing is that there is a LOT of value in convincing even a mid-tier IRL streamer to come out. Yeah, they are fucking obnoxious when they are trying to yell to chat. But it is someone who is high enough profile that they won't immediately have their gear destroyed AND privileged enough that they won't even realize that is an option until it is too late. At which point the decision as to how to handle the escalation is already happening.

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                        You shouldn’t be recording tiktoks and doing the carlton.

                        Then why even GO to a protest??? To stand up for our freedoms? Pssshhhh!!!!

                        does the carlton

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                          What is this "vid-eo chimera" you speak of? Some ancient technology from the Mayans? /j

                          But seriously, unless there's some reason to stream live, old tricks are sometimes still the best tricks.

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                          What is this “vid-eo chimera” you speak of? Some ancient technology from the Mayans? /j

                          I've aged myself, haven't I? lol

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                            What is this “vid-eo chimera” you speak of? Some ancient technology from the Mayans? /j

                            I've aged myself, haven't I? lol

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                            Maybe. I've had the same thought, to the point of bringing a cheap point and click camera or even a disposable one, so you're not alone!

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                              Irish people were actually considered "non-white" throughout most of the history of race as a concept. They were only recently recategorized by racists when they felt their numbers dwindling and decided to expand the tent a little.

                              Irish people have suffered from a history of explicitly racist oppression; calling them "the oppressors" flies directly in the face of history. Their skin colour may be white, but the history of their relationship with race as a power structure is far more complex.

                              This does not mean that it's impossible for Irish people to be racist themselves, or for Irish people to embrace "white" as an identity. Race is complicated; that's exactly why trying to adopt simplistic attitudes to it never works.

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                              Yes, the Irish were (and kind of still are) looked down upon by "Whites".

                              They historically chose to address that by becoming cops. Oppressors. The idea being that if they were useful they would at least be better than the brown and yellow people. And irish cops have caused untold horrors amongst labor and minorities.

                              So while I disagree that "paddy wagon" is an Irish slur so much as MAYBE it is a cop slur, it is close enough that I'll refrain from using it. But it is still the same issue as with "cracker" where... you are gonna have to try a whole hell of a lot harder for me to care if people's feelings are hurt that folk don't appreciate how many skulls they cracked in the name of impressing the crackers.

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                                how to secure your phone for a protest.

                                don't fucking bring it

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                                  If you can, leave your phone at home

                                  That's it! There's the answer!

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                                  If you aren't communicating that a protest happened, then it didn't happen.

                                  It's quite literally the entire point.

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                                    Buy a burner, keep the battery out until you arrive at the protest, remove the battery when you leave the protest. Don't store any phone numbers in that phone.

                                    Not that protesting will do anything anymore, that time has come and gone

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                                      Yes, the Irish were (and kind of still are) looked down upon by "Whites".

                                      They historically chose to address that by becoming cops. Oppressors. The idea being that if they were useful they would at least be better than the brown and yellow people. And irish cops have caused untold horrors amongst labor and minorities.

                                      So while I disagree that "paddy wagon" is an Irish slur so much as MAYBE it is a cop slur, it is close enough that I'll refrain from using it. But it is still the same issue as with "cracker" where... you are gonna have to try a whole hell of a lot harder for me to care if people's feelings are hurt that folk don't appreciate how many skulls they cracked in the name of impressing the crackers.

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                                      But you do see how you're very much engaging in stereotyping by saying that "They historically chose to address that by becoming cops" as if somehow a) all Irish people in America became cops, and b) the experiences of the Irish diaspora in America are somehow representative of all Irish people... Right?

                                      Like, seriously, go ask some Irish people in Northern Ireland how they feel about cops some time. Depending on who you ask you're guaranteed to get some wildly different answers.

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                                          how to secure your phone for a protest.

                                          don't fucking bring it

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                                          This so much!

                                          Leave all Bluetooth devices at home as well as they have unique IDs that can be tied back to you as well.

                                          And if you're worried about your stereo you can always pull the fuse so it gets no power then put the fuse back when you get home.

                                          Need directions? Print them and DO NOT LOSE THE PAPER!

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