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I wonder if this was made by AI or a shit programmer

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  • S [email protected]

    The web is a public space by design. The internet? I don't think you can make that case well. Https and all that. Private infra abounds.

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    The data was on the public web in this case

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    • spacecowboy@lemmy.caS [email protected]

      Yeah, if I leave my house door wide open for a few weeks and I get robbed, it's still burglary.

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      Terrible analogy. A webserver is not at all like a door. It doesn't block or allow traffic to and from your file system.

      A web server is more like a receptionist. It handles requests. "Can I have your basic catalog?" "Certainly, here you go."

      "Can I get this item from your basic catalog?" "Certainly."

      "I don't see it in your catalog, but my buddy said he got this other item from you. Can I have this other item too?" "Absolutely."

      "Can I borrow your stapler?" Sure. "How about a pad of paper?" "Of Course". "Can I just have the contents of your supply closet?" "Here you go." "How about your accounting files, can I get those?" "No problem!" "How about your entire customer list?" "Consider it done!"

      When you hire a receptionist and specifically tell them to give customers anything they request, that's entirely on you. You have to at least make a token effort to restrict access to only authorized users before you can even claim that a particular user was unauthorized.

      This wasn't burglary. This was putting up signs that say "come in" and labeling everything in your house with "free" stickers.

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        You could say they “spilled the tea”.

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        • spacecowboy@lemmy.caS [email protected]

          If I'm clicking around on a website and find a gallery of images, that's something I'm supposed to have access to. If I start typing in URLs that aren't linked anywhere on the site, then I'm accessing stuff the site hasn't explicitly indicated I have access to. If I'm doing this with the intent of getting data and distributing to others, then yeah that would be illegal.

          The law allows for someone to exercise judgement. The people who do this are not so coincidentally called Judges. If the 4chan guys had have been white hat and reported the issue to the site owners, then they'd be fine. But it's obvious to anyone their intent was to get private information, they poked around to find some private information, and then distributed that private information to others causing a privacy violation. Yes, it was easier to do than it should have been, but it's obvious they had malicious intent and it's obvious they were accessing information they weren't supposed to access.

          A crime being really easy to commit doesn't make it no longer a crime. Many times I've seen things that I could easily steal, but I don't steal things when I have an opportunity to do so because a) stealing is wrong and b) saying "they just left this thing out there in a place anyone could steal it" would not be any kind of legal defense. Simply because you're presented an opportunity to do a crime doesn't mean it's acceptable to do a crime, both legally and morally speaking.

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          I start typing in URLs that aren't linked anywhere on the site, then I'm accessing stuff the site hasn't explicitly indicated I have access to.

          Doesn't work like that. With the policy you describe, anyone who ever sees a "404" error is a criminal.

          I don't have to publish everything I am willing to offer. You are free to ask for something I may or may not have. I get to decide how to respond to your request.

          To use your analogy, I can walk up to your door and request a glass of water. You've never explicitly offered a glass of water to anyone; I'm still allowed to ask. If you dont want me to have your water, you can say "No" or you can ignore me.

          When you go ahead and give me a glass of water, you don't get to claim I stole it from you. It is not theft to ask.

          You have to make some sort of effort to have your web server limit my access, and I have to make some sort of effort to convince your webserver to bypass those restrictions before you can claim I am exceeding my authorization.

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          • F [email protected]

            Well, I get what you mean, but a "honey trap" idiom in English, also called a "honeypot scheme", usually refers to utilizing romantic connections to influence people to make decisions or release confidential information.

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            Honeypot is a common term in computing/cybersecurity, setting up fake important servers so bad actors invade and the security team can analyze what got in and how to deal with it.

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            • icastfist@programming.devI [email protected]

              Honeypot is a common term in computing/cybersecurity, setting up fake important servers so bad actors invade and the security team can analyze what got in and how to deal with it.

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              Well it doesnt surprise me that the IT team doesn't know about a sexual terminology, tbh.

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              • mobotsar@sh.itjust.worksM [email protected]

                Shift + tab?

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                #167

                basically "autopilot" for claude code.

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                • F [email protected]

                  Well it doesnt surprise me that the IT team doesn't know about a sexual terminology, tbh.

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                  #168

                  They're all over master-slave, tho 😏

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                  • R [email protected]

                    basically "autopilot" for claude code.

                    mobotsar@sh.itjust.worksM This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #169

                    Ah, thanks.

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                    • T [email protected]

                      This reminds me of how I showed a friend and her company how to get databases from BLS and it's basically all just text files with urls. "What API did you call? How did you scrape the data?"

                      Nah man, it's just... there. As government data should be. They called it a hack.

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                      When getting data legitimately is beyond them…

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