8 in 10 Israelis support Trump's Gaza 'ethnic cleansing' plan
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The shit? The pioneers of fascism—Hitler and Mussolini—appealed to the Enlightenment-era ideologies of race and nationalism a lot more than they appealed to religion, and Ben Gurion was an atheist. Then in modern Israel you have liberal Jews and ultraorthodox Jews, who are both equally supportive of the genocide of Palestinians for Lebensraum (though liberal Jews are more likely to prioritize getting the hostages back). MAGA is also built on nationalism, race ideology and a notion of a "great America", with religion only taking an auxiliary role. Again, fascism and Zionism were invented in and keep being practiced by the least religious region in the world; don't make this the fault of religion because it's quite obviously not. Religion isn't the cause of everything you don't like. Y'all invented this shit so own it.
Religion isn't the cause of everything you don't like.
Never said it was. And I didn't say religion was the source of fascism either.
Don't excuse religion's faults; it has been used to cause massive amounts of human suffering. Yes, it can be a positive tool. But it's a tool that has a well documented history of repression and violence.
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Lmao what? The Nazi party publicly and loudly identified with religion and persecuted and purged the Jews who had been treated awfully by Christians in Europe for centuries. Sure Hitler wanted to see the end of Christianity, but he was quite religious himself per Goebbels: "The Führer is deeply religious, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race. This can be seen in the similarity of their religious rites. Both (Judaism and Christianity) have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end they will be destroyed." So privately Hitler was religious, and publicly the Nazis were religious, and one of the most sickening, widespread, and prominent atrocities they committed was the persecution and genocide of a religious minority.
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But I will blame it on religion.
I do.
All those things only exist under the protection of untouchable religion.
Many of the early leaders of the Zionist movement, such as Theodor Herzl, were secular or atheist, emphasizing Jewish cultural and national identity over religious belief.
In contemporary Israel, about 45% of Jews identify as secular or non-religious, and secular Zionists—who may self-identify as atheist or traditional—constitute roughly 55% of the population.
Maybe they use it as a cover to justify their crimes against humanity, but as another person said, blaming it entirely on religion is a cheap deflection that tries to overshadow the root causes of such madness. When reading your first comment, I was somewhat in agreement, but your last one makes it seem like religion is the main reason for their deeds, as if the other 7 billion religious humans act the same way they do…
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Many of the early leaders of the Zionist movement, such as Theodor Herzl, were secular or atheist, emphasizing Jewish cultural and national identity over religious belief.
In contemporary Israel, about 45% of Jews identify as secular or non-religious, and secular Zionists—who may self-identify as atheist or traditional—constitute roughly 55% of the population.
Maybe they use it as a cover to justify their crimes against humanity, but as another person said, blaming it entirely on religion is a cheap deflection that tries to overshadow the root causes of such madness. When reading your first comment, I was somewhat in agreement, but your last one makes it seem like religion is the main reason for their deeds, as if the other 7 billion religious humans act the same way they do…
Defending religion is silly
It’s make believe.
It’s all bad faith.
Everyone is secular.
They just claim to be a member of a religion so they can justify cruelty to people who claim to be members of a different religion.
All your baloney about the founding of Israel ignores one thing: it’s a religious state for a specific religion.
In a holy war with a different religion.
All religions do this.
All religions indoctrinate their members to dehumanize outsiders.
This is a sub human trait, to not see the humanity in other humans.
Ipso facto : all religious people are willfully subhuman
This is simple logic not curated historical facts to push an agenda.
Hail Satan.
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Lmao what? The Nazi party publicly and loudly identified with religion and persecuted and purged the Jews who had been treated awfully by Christians in Europe for centuries. Sure Hitler wanted to see the end of Christianity, but he was quite religious himself per Goebbels: "The Führer is deeply religious, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race. This can be seen in the similarity of their religious rites. Both (Judaism and Christianity) have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end they will be destroyed." So privately Hitler was religious, and publicly the Nazis were religious, and one of the most sickening, widespread, and prominent atrocities they committed was the persecution and genocide of a religious minority.
I would argue that even though they identified a bit with Christianity, they weren’t religious. The nazis used lots of christian symbolisms and rhetorics due to cultural heritage as a way of garnering support.
But, stating that nazis were religious as in they adopted clear doctrines and rituals is fallacious, their philosophical beliefs were more akin to pantheism than anything else.
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Religion is just a complicated excuse for violence
Zionism is a political stance, not a religious stance. In fact it's completely opposed to judaism as it has existed for thousands of years.
The only religion here is fascism - the worship of the state.
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How many wars have been fought because of religion? Religions very commonly use fear as a method of control (Christians even invented hell just for that purpose). This makes them unfortunately well suited for fascist takeover.
How many wars have been fought for a state? Every single one.
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The Jewish People Policy Institute Israel Index survey found that 8 out of 10 Jewish Israelis agreed with Trump's proposal of expelling Palestinians from Gaza.
Forty-three percent of all Israelis said that the expulsion plan was "practical" and should be implemented, while 30 percent said the plan was "desirable" but not practical.
A minority of 13 percent - made of up 54 percent of Palestinian respondents and just three percent of Jewish Israelis - described the Trump plan as "immoral".
Are these people even self-aware? OMG.
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But I will blame it on religion.
I do.
All those things only exist under the protection of untouchable religion.
You're missing out the on the most important religion here.
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You're missing out the on the most important religion here.
This song perfectly captures my feelings on the subject:
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The Jewish People Policy Institute Israel Index survey found that 8 out of 10 Jewish Israelis agreed with Trump's proposal of expelling Palestinians from Gaza.
Forty-three percent of all Israelis said that the expulsion plan was "practical" and should be implemented, while 30 percent said the plan was "desirable" but not practical.
A minority of 13 percent - made of up 54 percent of Palestinian respondents and just three percent of Jewish Israelis - described the Trump plan as "immoral".
Here is the original poll publication. https://jppi.org.il/en/21826-2/
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Zionism is a political stance, not a religious stance. In fact it's completely opposed to judaism as it has existed for thousands of years.
The only religion here is fascism - the worship of the state.
Yeah but when you walk around Israel it’s not a Zionist section and a non Zionist section.
It’s a Jewish area and a Muslim area.
The Muslim area is over policed, a ghetto
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Defending religion is silly
It’s make believe.
It’s all bad faith.
Everyone is secular.
They just claim to be a member of a religion so they can justify cruelty to people who claim to be members of a different religion.
All your baloney about the founding of Israel ignores one thing: it’s a religious state for a specific religion.
In a holy war with a different religion.
All religions do this.
All religions indoctrinate their members to dehumanize outsiders.
This is a sub human trait, to not see the humanity in other humans.
Ipso facto : all religious people are willfully subhuman
This is simple logic not curated historical facts to push an agenda.
Hail Satan.
I hear and understand your opinion but it’s not accurate and can lead to dangerous roads.
You must try to understand that the majority of the world has been exposed to incommensurable pain and suffering. From an anthropological perspective, it is rational and logical for the brain to protect itself by creating beliefs. Through social and cultural processes, these beliefs become embedded in societies.
Claiming that this is a subhuman trait is disingenuous because it is in human nature to seek explanations for what we observe in our environment. We are wired that way.
These actions should only be evaluated through the lens of this principle: "The freedom of one ends where the freedom of another begins."
There are religious people who are kinder than atheists, and atheists who are more evil than religious people. Today, religion may be used as a political tool for authoritarian regimes, but tomorrow it could be something else.
Eradicating religion would not solve anything.
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Defending religion is silly
It’s make believe.
It’s all bad faith.
Everyone is secular.
They just claim to be a member of a religion so they can justify cruelty to people who claim to be members of a different religion.
All your baloney about the founding of Israel ignores one thing: it’s a religious state for a specific religion.
In a holy war with a different religion.
All religions do this.
All religions indoctrinate their members to dehumanize outsiders.
This is a sub human trait, to not see the humanity in other humans.
Ipso facto : all religious people are willfully subhuman
This is simple logic not curated historical facts to push an agenda.
Hail Satan.
Atheists, is this guy just an idiot or do y'all actually believe this?
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Yeah but when you walk around Israel it’s not a Zionist section and a non Zionist section.
It’s a Jewish area and a Muslim area.
The Muslim area is over policed, a ghetto
No? It's a Jewish area and a Palestinian area. Palestinian Christians aren't spared by Israel.
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Are these people even self-aware? OMG.
Yes, entirely. That's why they say it's a good plan but not practical. Israel is a genocidal ethnostate; it's citizens are nazis.
I guess you missed the riots in tel Aviv over Israel's right to rape palestinians in captivity. Not against it, but against the government investigating and charging the prison guards with the rape and sexual assault of dozens of Palestinians who were imprisoned. It is unironically the most depraved country on earth and we pay their fucking rent.
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No? It's a Jewish area and a Palestinian area. Palestinian Christians aren't spared by Israel.
I’m taking about Jerusalem and East Jerusalem specifically
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Adding to this, PunkRockSportsFan ignores that religion has been used to end violence. Christianity was a huge part in the US abolitionist movement.
I mean you can't play that card when the entirety of slavery was justified by that same Christianity up until the point that a civil war ended the argument. Again, religion had nothing to do with it besides giving conviction to anyone based on what they feel, in their head, god wants. Abolitionists were religious just like every other person in america in 1880, and Abolitionists were not the majority.
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The Jewish People Policy Institute Israel Index survey found that 8 out of 10 Jewish Israelis agreed with Trump's proposal of expelling Palestinians from Gaza.
Forty-three percent of all Israelis said that the expulsion plan was "practical" and should be implemented, while 30 percent said the plan was "desirable" but not practical.
A minority of 13 percent - made of up 54 percent of Palestinian respondents and just three percent of Jewish Israelis - described the Trump plan as "immoral".
Fuck liberal Zionists for complaining about progroms for all these decades. This is what you enabled. Fuck all the talk about two state solutions. Israel should no longer exist unless it becomes a multi ethnic democracy with full rights for Palestinians.
Signed,
A Jewish guy
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Atheists, is this guy just an idiot or do y'all actually believe this?
A. I am an idiot
B. Atheists don’t believe the same things. That’s the whole point.
C. I’m not an atheist I am anti theist.
D. Is for dodgers.
