8 in 10 Israelis support Trump's Gaza 'ethnic cleansing' plan
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Defending religion is silly
It’s make believe.
It’s all bad faith.
Everyone is secular.
They just claim to be a member of a religion so they can justify cruelty to people who claim to be members of a different religion.
All your baloney about the founding of Israel ignores one thing: it’s a religious state for a specific religion.
In a holy war with a different religion.
All religions do this.
All religions indoctrinate their members to dehumanize outsiders.
This is a sub human trait, to not see the humanity in other humans.
Ipso facto : all religious people are willfully subhuman
This is simple logic not curated historical facts to push an agenda.
Hail Satan.
I hear and understand your opinion but it’s not accurate and can lead to dangerous roads.
You must try to understand that the majority of the world has been exposed to incommensurable pain and suffering. From an anthropological perspective, it is rational and logical for the brain to protect itself by creating beliefs. Through social and cultural processes, these beliefs become embedded in societies.
Claiming that this is a subhuman trait is disingenuous because it is in human nature to seek explanations for what we observe in our environment. We are wired that way.
These actions should only be evaluated through the lens of this principle: "The freedom of one ends where the freedom of another begins."
There are religious people who are kinder than atheists, and atheists who are more evil than religious people. Today, religion may be used as a political tool for authoritarian regimes, but tomorrow it could be something else.
Eradicating religion would not solve anything.
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Defending religion is silly
It’s make believe.
It’s all bad faith.
Everyone is secular.
They just claim to be a member of a religion so they can justify cruelty to people who claim to be members of a different religion.
All your baloney about the founding of Israel ignores one thing: it’s a religious state for a specific religion.
In a holy war with a different religion.
All religions do this.
All religions indoctrinate their members to dehumanize outsiders.
This is a sub human trait, to not see the humanity in other humans.
Ipso facto : all religious people are willfully subhuman
This is simple logic not curated historical facts to push an agenda.
Hail Satan.
Atheists, is this guy just an idiot or do y'all actually believe this?
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Yeah but when you walk around Israel it’s not a Zionist section and a non Zionist section.
It’s a Jewish area and a Muslim area.
The Muslim area is over policed, a ghetto
No? It's a Jewish area and a Palestinian area. Palestinian Christians aren't spared by Israel.
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Are these people even self-aware? OMG.
Yes, entirely. That's why they say it's a good plan but not practical. Israel is a genocidal ethnostate; it's citizens are nazis.
I guess you missed the riots in tel Aviv over Israel's right to rape palestinians in captivity. Not against it, but against the government investigating and charging the prison guards with the rape and sexual assault of dozens of Palestinians who were imprisoned. It is unironically the most depraved country on earth and we pay their fucking rent.
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No? It's a Jewish area and a Palestinian area. Palestinian Christians aren't spared by Israel.
I’m taking about Jerusalem and East Jerusalem specifically
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Adding to this, PunkRockSportsFan ignores that religion has been used to end violence. Christianity was a huge part in the US abolitionist movement.
I mean you can't play that card when the entirety of slavery was justified by that same Christianity up until the point that a civil war ended the argument. Again, religion had nothing to do with it besides giving conviction to anyone based on what they feel, in their head, god wants. Abolitionists were religious just like every other person in america in 1880, and Abolitionists were not the majority.
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The Jewish People Policy Institute Israel Index survey found that 8 out of 10 Jewish Israelis agreed with Trump's proposal of expelling Palestinians from Gaza.
Forty-three percent of all Israelis said that the expulsion plan was "practical" and should be implemented, while 30 percent said the plan was "desirable" but not practical.
A minority of 13 percent - made of up 54 percent of Palestinian respondents and just three percent of Jewish Israelis - described the Trump plan as "immoral".
Fuck liberal Zionists for complaining about progroms for all these decades. This is what you enabled. Fuck all the talk about two state solutions. Israel should no longer exist unless it becomes a multi ethnic democracy with full rights for Palestinians.
Signed,
A Jewish guy
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Atheists, is this guy just an idiot or do y'all actually believe this?
A. I am an idiot
B. Atheists don’t believe the same things. That’s the whole point.
C. I’m not an atheist I am anti theist.
D. Is for dodgers.
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I hear and understand your opinion but it’s not accurate and can lead to dangerous roads.
You must try to understand that the majority of the world has been exposed to incommensurable pain and suffering. From an anthropological perspective, it is rational and logical for the brain to protect itself by creating beliefs. Through social and cultural processes, these beliefs become embedded in societies.
Claiming that this is a subhuman trait is disingenuous because it is in human nature to seek explanations for what we observe in our environment. We are wired that way.
These actions should only be evaluated through the lens of this principle: "The freedom of one ends where the freedom of another begins."
There are religious people who are kinder than atheists, and atheists who are more evil than religious people. Today, religion may be used as a political tool for authoritarian regimes, but tomorrow it could be something else.
Eradicating religion would not solve anything.
What’s a good compromise? Am I allowed to ridicule other people for their beliefs?
It is a core tenet of my philosophy
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What’s a good compromise? Am I allowed to ridicule other people for their beliefs?
It is a core tenet of my philosophy
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Why not? it does not infringe on anyone.
However, recognize the irony in claiming that all religions dehumanize outsiders, right before labeling religious people as subhuman. (The tolerance paradox does not work in this case)
The tolerance paradox absolutely applies here
I was raised to be religious.
I logic’d my way out of it in spite of the indoctrination.
This defines my entire world view: I did not hate the people they told me to hate.
Religion is intolerant by design. They are all claiming to have answers they cannot possible have but also refuse to allow scrutiny. Literal intolerance my friend. Literally intolerant of any outside ideas even.
It’s religion pal, it’s the stupid notion that we have to not only tolerate intolerant religions but have to respect their intolerant beliefs?!?!
NO NOT ME FUCK THAT
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I mean you can't play that card when the entirety of slavery was justified by that same Christianity up until the point that a civil war ended the argument. Again, religion had nothing to do with it besides giving conviction to anyone based on what they feel, in their head, god wants. Abolitionists were religious just like every other person in america in 1880, and Abolitionists were not the majority.
Ever heard of the Quakers? Quite a few * other sects.
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The tolerance paradox absolutely applies here
I was raised to be religious.
I logic’d my way out of it in spite of the indoctrination.
This defines my entire world view: I did not hate the people they told me to hate.
Religion is intolerant by design. They are all claiming to have answers they cannot possible have but also refuse to allow scrutiny. Literal intolerance my friend. Literally intolerant of any outside ideas even.
It’s religion pal, it’s the stupid notion that we have to not only tolerate intolerant religions but have to respect their intolerant beliefs?!?!
NO NOT ME FUCK THAT
I see your point but simply put:
I believe there are both tolerant and intolerant religious people, just as there are tolerant and intolerant atheists.
Thus, if we want to tackle or end intolerance, focusing solely on religion is ineffective and won’t solve the problem, as religion is not the root cause of intolerance.
Rather, it’s the excuse used by the egos of hateful individuals to justify their irrational hatred. If religions were removed, people would simply find new ideologies or beliefs to hide behind.
What should be done is improving education, encouraging self introspection as well as being oneself, demonstrating that being empathetic is not a weakness and that we are all stuck on the same small rock in the middle of a seemingly endless void which is kind of weird.
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The Jewish People Policy Institute Israel Index survey found that 8 out of 10 Jewish Israelis agreed with Trump's proposal of expelling Palestinians from Gaza.
Forty-three percent of all Israelis said that the expulsion plan was "practical" and should be implemented, while 30 percent said the plan was "desirable" but not practical.
A minority of 13 percent - made of up 54 percent of Palestinian respondents and just three percent of Jewish Israelis - described the Trump plan as "immoral".
Israel is so unbelievably cooked as a society holy shit.
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I see your point but simply put:
I believe there are both tolerant and intolerant religious people, just as there are tolerant and intolerant atheists.
Thus, if we want to tackle or end intolerance, focusing solely on religion is ineffective and won’t solve the problem, as religion is not the root cause of intolerance.
Rather, it’s the excuse used by the egos of hateful individuals to justify their irrational hatred. If religions were removed, people would simply find new ideologies or beliefs to hide behind.
What should be done is improving education, encouraging self introspection as well as being oneself, demonstrating that being empathetic is not a weakness and that we are all stuck on the same small rock in the middle of a seemingly endless void which is kind of weird.
What should be done is improving education, encouraging self introspection
This is something religions resist
I’m sure there’s some exception that just proves the rule but I’ve done enough reflection that I’ve reached the conclusion that religions are a dehumanizing influence on people and the rejection of science is the ultimate intolerance.
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I’m taking about Jerusalem and East Jerusalem specifically
The Jewish Supremacy inherent to Zionism goes back to race science, similar to White Supremacy. It comes from perceived ethnic superiority, abusing the religion to it's own ends. Zionism goes against the teachings of Judaism, and Jewish opposition to zionism is as old as Zionism itself. The supremacy over and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in fundamental to zionism, it's certainly like early America in many ways
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Ever heard of the Quakers? Quite a few * other sects.
Were they the ones for abolition? I always associate them more with the revolution than the civil war but I could be mixing them up with the whigs
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The Jewish People Policy Institute Israel Index survey found that 8 out of 10 Jewish Israelis agreed with Trump's proposal of expelling Palestinians from Gaza.
Forty-three percent of all Israelis said that the expulsion plan was "practical" and should be implemented, while 30 percent said the plan was "desirable" but not practical.
A minority of 13 percent - made of up 54 percent of Palestinian respondents and just three percent of Jewish Israelis - described the Trump plan as "immoral".
This is a damning result for Israeli society.
I have minimal knowledge of sociological research in Israel/Palestine, but if this result is a accurate representation of the views of Israeli Jews, then we can with confidence say that an overwhelming majority of Israeli Jews support genocidal colonialism.
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Fuck liberal Zionists for complaining about progroms for all these decades. This is what you enabled. Fuck all the talk about two state solutions. Israel should no longer exist unless it becomes a multi ethnic democracy with full rights for Palestinians.
Signed,
A Jewish guy
How hard would it be to have a complete religious schism from the Israelis? They are lost and irredeemable.
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Religion isn't the cause of everything you don't like.
Never said it was. And I didn't say religion was the source of fascism either.
Don't excuse religion's faults; it has been used to cause massive amounts of human suffering. Yes, it can be a positive tool. But it's a tool that has a well documented history of repression and violence.
And of course, instead of solving underlying issues, we should just blame and ban surface level problems so that nothing ever changes.
Religion is just a tool, not a cause. The cause of all the problems you quote are ego and power-mongering. Those things twist anything they touch, not just religion.
The solution is not more vapid reactionism.
