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8 in 10 Israelis support Trump's Gaza 'ethnic cleansing' plan

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  • P [email protected]

    The tolerance paradox absolutely applies here

    I was raised to be religious.

    I logic’d my way out of it in spite of the indoctrination.

    This defines my entire world view: I did not hate the people they told me to hate.

    Religion is intolerant by design. They are all claiming to have answers they cannot possible have but also refuse to allow scrutiny. Literal intolerance my friend. Literally intolerant of any outside ideas even.

    It’s religion pal, it’s the stupid notion that we have to not only tolerate intolerant religions but have to respect their intolerant beliefs?!?!

    NO NOT ME FUCK THAT

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    I see your point but simply put:

    I believe there are both tolerant and intolerant religious people, just as there are tolerant and intolerant atheists.

    Thus, if we want to tackle or end intolerance, focusing solely on religion is ineffective and won’t solve the problem, as religion is not the root cause of intolerance.

    Rather, it’s the excuse used by the egos of hateful individuals to justify their irrational hatred. If religions were removed, people would simply find new ideologies or beliefs to hide behind.

    What should be done is improving education, encouraging self introspection as well as being oneself, demonstrating that being empathetic is not a weakness and that we are all stuck on the same small rock in the middle of a seemingly endless void which is kind of weird.

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      The Jewish People Policy Institute Israel Index survey found that 8 out of 10 Jewish Israelis agreed with Trump's proposal of expelling Palestinians from Gaza.

      Forty-three percent of all Israelis said that the expulsion plan was "practical" and should be implemented, while 30 percent said the plan was "desirable" but not practical.

      A minority of 13 percent - made of up 54 percent of Palestinian respondents and just three percent of Jewish Israelis - described the Trump plan as "immoral".

      MBFC

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      Israel is so unbelievably cooked as a society holy shit.

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        I see your point but simply put:

        I believe there are both tolerant and intolerant religious people, just as there are tolerant and intolerant atheists.

        Thus, if we want to tackle or end intolerance, focusing solely on religion is ineffective and won’t solve the problem, as religion is not the root cause of intolerance.

        Rather, it’s the excuse used by the egos of hateful individuals to justify their irrational hatred. If religions were removed, people would simply find new ideologies or beliefs to hide behind.

        What should be done is improving education, encouraging self introspection as well as being oneself, demonstrating that being empathetic is not a weakness and that we are all stuck on the same small rock in the middle of a seemingly endless void which is kind of weird.

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        What should be done is improving education, encouraging self introspection

        This is something religions resist

        I’m sure there’s some exception that just proves the rule but I’ve done enough reflection that I’ve reached the conclusion that religions are a dehumanizing influence on people and the rejection of science is the ultimate intolerance.

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          I’m taking about Jerusalem and East Jerusalem specifically

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          The Jewish Supremacy inherent to Zionism goes back to race science, similar to White Supremacy. It comes from perceived ethnic superiority, abusing the religion to it's own ends. Zionism goes against the teachings of Judaism, and Jewish opposition to zionism is as old as Zionism itself. The supremacy over and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in fundamental to zionism, it's certainly like early America in many ways

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            Ever heard of the Quakers? Quite a few * other sects.

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            Were they the ones for abolition? I always associate them more with the revolution than the civil war but I could be mixing them up with the whigs

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              The Jewish People Policy Institute Israel Index survey found that 8 out of 10 Jewish Israelis agreed with Trump's proposal of expelling Palestinians from Gaza.

              Forty-three percent of all Israelis said that the expulsion plan was "practical" and should be implemented, while 30 percent said the plan was "desirable" but not practical.

              A minority of 13 percent - made of up 54 percent of Palestinian respondents and just three percent of Jewish Israelis - described the Trump plan as "immoral".

              MBFC

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              This is a damning result for Israeli society.

              I have minimal knowledge of sociological research in Israel/Palestine, but if this result is a accurate representation of the views of Israeli Jews, then we can with confidence say that an overwhelming majority of Israeli Jews support genocidal colonialism.

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              • O [email protected]

                Fuck liberal Zionists for complaining about progroms for all these decades. This is what you enabled. Fuck all the talk about two state solutions. Israel should no longer exist unless it becomes a multi ethnic democracy with full rights for Palestinians.

                Signed,

                A Jewish guy

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                How hard would it be to have a complete religious schism from the Israelis? They are lost and irredeemable.

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                  Religion isn't the cause of everything you don't like.

                  Never said it was. And I didn't say religion was the source of fascism either.

                  Don't excuse religion's faults; it has been used to cause massive amounts of human suffering. Yes, it can be a positive tool. But it's a tool that has a well documented history of repression and violence.

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                  And of course, instead of solving underlying issues, we should just blame and ban surface level problems so that nothing ever changes.

                  Religion is just a tool, not a cause. The cause of all the problems you quote are ego and power-mongering. Those things twist anything they touch, not just religion.

                  The solution is not more vapid reactionism.

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                    The Jewish People Policy Institute Israel Index survey found that 8 out of 10 Jewish Israelis agreed with Trump's proposal of expelling Palestinians from Gaza.

                    Forty-three percent of all Israelis said that the expulsion plan was "practical" and should be implemented, while 30 percent said the plan was "desirable" but not practical.

                    A minority of 13 percent - made of up 54 percent of Palestinian respondents and just three percent of Jewish Israelis - described the Trump plan as "immoral".

                    MBFC

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                    Holocausts for thee but not for me

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                      The Jewish People Policy Institute Israel Index survey found that 8 out of 10 Jewish Israelis agreed with Trump's proposal of expelling Palestinians from Gaza.

                      Forty-three percent of all Israelis said that the expulsion plan was "practical" and should be implemented, while 30 percent said the plan was "desirable" but not practical.

                      A minority of 13 percent - made of up 54 percent of Palestinian respondents and just three percent of Jewish Israelis - described the Trump plan as "immoral".

                      MBFC

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                      Hard to feel bad for the genocided when they become the genociders.

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                      • P [email protected]

                        Religion is just a complicated excuse for violence

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                        And pedophilia! Don't forget about all the Pedophiles!

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                          And of course, instead of solving underlying issues, we should just blame and ban surface level problems so that nothing ever changes.

                          Religion is just a tool, not a cause. The cause of all the problems you quote are ego and power-mongering. Those things twist anything they touch, not just religion.

                          The solution is not more vapid reactionism.

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                          fucking thank you

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                          • P [email protected]

                            What should be done is improving education, encouraging self introspection

                            This is something religions resist

                            I’m sure there’s some exception that just proves the rule but I’ve done enough reflection that I’ve reached the conclusion that religions are a dehumanizing influence on people and the rejection of science is the ultimate intolerance.

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                            I understand.

                            Let’s agree to disagree a bit.

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                              Fuck liberal Zionists for complaining about progroms for all these decades. This is what you enabled. Fuck all the talk about two state solutions. Israel should no longer exist unless it becomes a multi ethnic democracy with full rights for Palestinians.

                              Signed,

                              A Jewish guy

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                              Schumer is 🙂 right now

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                                I mean you can't play that card when the entirety of slavery was justified by that same Christianity up until the point that a civil war ended the argument. Again, religion had nothing to do with it besides giving conviction to anyone based on what they feel, in their head, god wants. Abolitionists were religious just like every other person in america in 1880, and Abolitionists were not the majority.

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                                I mean you can't play that card when the entirety of slavery was justified by that same Christianity up until the point that a civil war ended the argument.

                                Uh... No? Slavers made up race to justify slavery specifically because they couldn't use Christianity to justify it anymore.

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                                  I mean you can't play that card when the entirety of slavery was justified by that same Christianity up until the point that a civil war ended the argument.

                                  Uh... No? Slavers made up race to justify slavery specifically because they couldn't use Christianity to justify it anymore.

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                                  Ah okay so just up to that point lmao

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                                    And of course, instead of solving underlying issues, we should just blame and ban surface level problems so that nothing ever changes.

                                    Religion is just a tool, not a cause. The cause of all the problems you quote are ego and power-mongering. Those things twist anything they touch, not just religion.

                                    The solution is not more vapid reactionism.

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                                    Religion's usefulness is way overestimated. It's a crutch.

                                    And what solution? Religion? Yeah, hell no.

                                    And it's pathetically ironic seeing a zealous reactionary projecting so predictably.

                                    Blow it out your ass, for all I care. ~(つˆ0ˆ)つ。☆

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                                      The Jewish People Policy Institute Israel Index survey found that 8 out of 10 Jewish Israelis agreed with Trump's proposal of expelling Palestinians from Gaza.

                                      Forty-three percent of all Israelis said that the expulsion plan was "practical" and should be implemented, while 30 percent said the plan was "desirable" but not practical.

                                      A minority of 13 percent - made of up 54 percent of Palestinian respondents and just three percent of Jewish Israelis - described the Trump plan as "immoral".

                                      MBFC

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                                      How convenient that Israel can rebrand their original plan to the "Trump plan".

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                                        This is a damning result for Israeli society.

                                        I have minimal knowledge of sociological research in Israel/Palestine, but if this result is a accurate representation of the views of Israeli Jews, then we can with confidence say that an overwhelming majority of Israeli Jews support genocidal colonialism.

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                                        This 3 year old video really sums it up

                                        Israelis Mass Protest Over Everything BUT Palestinian Misery - COTTAGE CHEESE & ANTIVAX PROTESTS

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                                          Religion's usefulness is way overestimated. It's a crutch.

                                          And what solution? Religion? Yeah, hell no.

                                          And it's pathetically ironic seeing a zealous reactionary projecting so predictably.

                                          Blow it out your ass, for all I care. ~(つˆ0ˆ)つ。☆

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                                          Crutches are useful tools. Do you advocate that someone who's broken/sprained limbs to just suck it up and walk it off? That's needlessly toxic.

                                          Religion is not a solution, and I never said otherwise. I said it was a tool, nothing more or less. It's effectiveness as a tool is questionable, I agree.

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