New Terms for Firefox from Mozilla
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Because they're going to offer optional AI integration in the browser
Look, we are in the minority. Lemmy has like, what, some thousands of users at best. Most people want features like AI, and firefox has to offer them to gain users instead of bleeding like a stuck pig as they're doing now
And the sentiment against AI on lemmy absolutely sucks dick. I'm tempted to go back to Reddit because this place is luddite.ml at this point. People who've never spun up a local model on their GPU talk like they have trifecta PhD creds in comp sci
Is sucking dick supposed to be a bad thing?
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Because they're going to offer optional AI integration in the browser
Look, we are in the minority. Lemmy has like, what, some thousands of users at best. Most people want features like AI, and firefox has to offer them to gain users instead of bleeding like a stuck pig as they're doing now
And the sentiment against AI on lemmy absolutely sucks dick. I'm tempted to go back to Reddit because this place is luddite.ml at this point. People who've never spun up a local model on their GPU talk like they have trifecta PhD creds in comp sci
Why the hell does my HTML renderer need a baked-in frontend for a privacy nightmare that requires I sign over rights for every keystroke even if I don't use it? If Mozilla really wants to roll it out themselves, make it an extension available for download and tie your abysmal terms of use to that, don't upend your entire reputation for the latest big tech trend.
And the sentiment against AI on lemmy absolutely sucks dick. I'm tempted to go back to Reddit because this place is luddite.ml at this point. People who've never spun up a local model on their GPU talk like they have trifecta PhD creds in comp sci
Oh poor you, how dare people appropriately respond to foil-plated shit being advertised to us as platinum decor. Stay away from glue on days you use your computer
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I hate that they had "never will" in there. Seems like a broken promise.
Dat want seem like it, it IS
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Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.
Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.
What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.
So wtf happened at Mozilla for this 180 degree course change? This literally goed against everything it was supposed to stand for
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I hate that they had "never will" in there. Seems like a broken promise.
They broke a promise and they broke my heart
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Most people want features like AI
as someone who runs local inference all the time, i think that centralized online models have no place anywhere near consumers. partly because the things they offer are trivial and offload critical skills, partly because they require insane amounts of energy, and partly because they are privacy nightmares. all things that are against moz's stated mission. and yet here we are.
This is the only decent comment that I've got on this entire thread
And you seem to be right, I agree with your sentiment. If the features are unneeded, then this is the wrong step to take. The best option would be for Mozilla (who are behind Ollama I think?) to offer a locally run open model, any potato capable of running a modern browser should be able to handle 1B-7B models
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Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.
Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.
What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.
What a whole lot of bloated bullshit. This isn't clearer at all.
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Even writing a post, you're entering data through Firefox into the post box. We just don't consider that data. It would be pretty quiet around here if you couldn't do that...
Are you even remotely aware how browsers work? Mozilla doesn't need to collect the information typed into your post box in order to serve the website.
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Are you even remotely aware how browsers work? Mozilla doesn't need to collect the information typed into your post box in order to serve the website.
Maximum wrongness on your part.
This is the original text that everyone flipped out about (OP: "WHY DO YOU NEED MY DATA TO MAKE FIREFOX WORK???"):
When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.
It has since been changed to:
You give Mozilla the rights necessary to operate Firefox. This includes processing your data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice. It also includes a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license for the purpose of doing as you request with the content you input in Firefox. This does not give Mozilla any ownership in that content.
Use. When you input a url, that information is used to resolve an IP then fetch a webpage. You're granting a right to complete tasks you assign using information you input. They have permission to send your post content to a server, but they don't own that content. This should be very obvious in the revised text.
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This is the only decent comment that I've got on this entire thread
And you seem to be right, I agree with your sentiment. If the features are unneeded, then this is the wrong step to take. The best option would be for Mozilla (who are behind Ollama I think?) to offer a locally run open model, any potato capable of running a modern browser should be able to handle 1B-7B models
moz are behind llamafiles, but ollama is a separate entity.
also, chat models are just not that useful. i'm all for their local translation models and the like, but chat is just a toy.
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Maximum wrongness on your part.
This is the original text that everyone flipped out about (OP: "WHY DO YOU NEED MY DATA TO MAKE FIREFOX WORK???"):
When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.
It has since been changed to:
You give Mozilla the rights necessary to operate Firefox. This includes processing your data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice. It also includes a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license for the purpose of doing as you request with the content you input in Firefox. This does not give Mozilla any ownership in that content.
Use. When you input a url, that information is used to resolve an IP then fetch a webpage. You're granting a right to complete tasks you assign using information you input. They have permission to send your post content to a server, but they don't own that content. This should be very obvious in the revised text.
Just quoting the recent changes in their ToS doesn't prove your previous claim that was completely irrelevant to this. Mozilla doesn't need to collect your data in order to server pages in Firefox. Firefox operates on the client. Data collection is no necessary in order to server the decentralized web. It has never been. Like when I curl a webpage through the Linux terminal I automatically sell my soul to Linus Torvalds?
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Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.
Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.
What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.
There is the part where you interact with Forefox. Without your data, it just won't work. They need your timezone, your screen size,... I mean, that's for every browser around, even the most hardened system. This data can be used for fingerprinting so you should be aware and you should agree upon that usage or quit the internet.
i.e. using a browser is sending data towards that browser.
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Just quoting the recent changes in their ToS doesn't prove your previous claim that was completely irrelevant to this. Mozilla doesn't need to collect your data in order to server pages in Firefox. Firefox operates on the client. Data collection is no necessary in order to server the decentralized web. It has never been. Like when I curl a webpage through the Linux terminal I automatically sell my soul to Linus Torvalds?
My original claim was that, in addition to gedaliyah's points, the TOS gives them permission to perform basic browser tasks. My last comment was about the same thing. The TOS is relevant because 1) it's the basis of this entire discussion and 2) the changes in the TOS conclusively prove my original claim.
As to "data collection" in this context, those words do not appear in the TOS and are not rights Mozilla is asserting for use of their software. It's a fiction you invented. That was the point of me pointing out the use of the word "use" -- describing that term and distinguishing its meaning from the thing you made up.
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Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.
Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.
What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.
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