So how do you feel about the whole Charlie Kirk divide?
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I'm going to challenge you all, right here, right now. Put down the thought of what's right, what's wrong, how people should be reacting, ect. I'm an apathetic bastard and I really could care less either way.
What I have noticed though is there's a LOT of divide on this one, more than usual. Lemmy's pretty homogenous but go outside to Facebook, Instagram, reddit, any of the mainstream places, hell, even talking about it with friends or family, you get some really differing views and people seem ready to discard longtime relationships over it. Hell, I've seen it happen 3 times now so far.
°So what do you think, take off the politics hat for a second and put on the sociology hat. Take a breath, and examine your surroundings.
°How does what's going on make you feel, sad? Angry? Scared, tired or relieved?
°What do you think this says about which direction our society is going, have you got any predictions? Any old timers who have been through near societal collapses before want to throw in their perspective?
I'm genuinely interested in what you all think
wrote last edited by [email protected]A self-elected mouthpiece that thrives on spreading hatred that has cause immerse damage and suffering for innocent people is shot by one of his own people. He died by consequence of the violence he was promoting against others.
The only ones I sympathise with are his children because they didn't choose their parents and they will have his legacy on their shoulders. His wife and his friends and colleagues and his followers can go fuck themselves ass to eye with a spork.
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Or just do a Google search or whatever, or even better, realize that language is fluid and nothing matters
You made their argument for them. Don't see that everyday.
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I'm going to challenge you all, right here, right now. Put down the thought of what's right, what's wrong, how people should be reacting, ect. I'm an apathetic bastard and I really could care less either way.
What I have noticed though is there's a LOT of divide on this one, more than usual. Lemmy's pretty homogenous but go outside to Facebook, Instagram, reddit, any of the mainstream places, hell, even talking about it with friends or family, you get some really differing views and people seem ready to discard longtime relationships over it. Hell, I've seen it happen 3 times now so far.
°So what do you think, take off the politics hat for a second and put on the sociology hat. Take a breath, and examine your surroundings.
°How does what's going on make you feel, sad? Angry? Scared, tired or relieved?
°What do you think this says about which direction our society is going, have you got any predictions? Any old timers who have been through near societal collapses before want to throw in their perspective?
I'm genuinely interested in what you all think
I think the circumstances around his death were ironic - humourous even - but I don't take any joy in politically motivated violence. When you respond to rhetoric you disagree with by being violent then you've lost the argument.
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Not the previous user, but I think humanity is something that everyone is endowed with at birth, and a narrow few people choose to surrender it through their actions.
Also not the person you replied to, but your comment is exactly the language they're cautioning against. If I saw your comment attributed to a far-right nationalist, I wouldn't be surprised.
Personally I think using dehumanizing language to describe fascists is letting them off the hook. I might want to believe we don't share any DNA, but they're humans who arrived at a certain worldview the same way I did. It's just that their worldview is violent and disgusting.
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I'm going to challenge you all, right here, right now. Put down the thought of what's right, what's wrong, how people should be reacting, ect. I'm an apathetic bastard and I really could care less either way.
What I have noticed though is there's a LOT of divide on this one, more than usual. Lemmy's pretty homogenous but go outside to Facebook, Instagram, reddit, any of the mainstream places, hell, even talking about it with friends or family, you get some really differing views and people seem ready to discard longtime relationships over it. Hell, I've seen it happen 3 times now so far.
°So what do you think, take off the politics hat for a second and put on the sociology hat. Take a breath, and examine your surroundings.
°How does what's going on make you feel, sad? Angry? Scared, tired or relieved?
°What do you think this says about which direction our society is going, have you got any predictions? Any old timers who have been through near societal collapses before want to throw in their perspective?
I'm genuinely interested in what you all think
I'm not American, so this is an outside perspective I guess. I had never heard of Charlie Kirk before he was shot, and it's been interesting watching it all play out. Ring wing leap to assuming it was a leftist attack, with a huge amount of violent rhetoric; suspect arrested & turns out to be from conservative background; trickle of suggestions he might be further to the right of Kirk.
I've learned a new word: Groyper.
Meanwhile in the UK we've got a kind of fascism-lite going on, with a "socialist" party in charge that's leaning to the right of Thatcher in order to attract the votes of bigots. There's a massive right-wing rally going on in London right now, with a couple of anti-fascist, anti-racist counter protests as well. https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2025/sep/13/aerial-footage-shows-scale-of-unite-the-kingdom-rally-video
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I'm happy he's not spewing hate anymore. However, I abhor (and denounce) how that came to pass and remain genuinely disgusted at the sick, bloodthirsty mob social media turns into when shit like this happens (or attempted happens).
I am very much not an "ends justify the means" kind of person and firmly believe that kind of logic is extremely dangerous.
How does this make me feel? Well, disgusted. Disgusted that there's more gun violence in the world, disgusted that people are cheering it on, and disgusted with pretty much everyone's knee-jerk takes on the matter. I can forgive celebrating his passing as dark humor / gallows humor. I can even understand laughing at the schadenfreude due to the guy's stance on exactly this kind of thing. But for people to be praising the suspect or calling for more is firmly crossing the line into psychopath territory.
Again, the ends do not justify the means.
I can feel in my bones that the other shoe is about to drop, and all these people salivating over the bloodshed are not going to be happy when it does. Violence only begets more violence, and people need to understand that and not be cheering it on.
Thank you for your empathetic reply. You pretty much wrote out what i was thinking. We don't need more violence, we need change not bloodshed. We need people that will safeguard certain lines that may not be crossed.
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I don't personally feel bad that he is dead. The world is probably a better place without him in it. However, I'm disturbed by how gleeful some people are about his death. It shows how callous and radicalized people have become. I know a lot of people will jump in and say it's rhe right's fault things have gotten so radicalized, but that's missing the point. Taking a life should never be easy.
I mean, sure, it's mostly edgy people talking tough online. Give them Charlie Kirk in a dark alleyway and hand them a gun and 99% of them wouldn't pull the trigger. But that social media environment does produce killers, and the kind of people it pushes over the edge tend to not be very stable and their actions tend to be pretty horrific. Probably the most famous Lemmy user to date is the man who bombed the fertility clinic. Let's hope it stays that way.
Change it to the middle of a forest with no one around for kilometers and that 1% might go a lot higher tho
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I think these people publicly celebrating are being incredibly inconsiderate. I hate the guy just as much them, but the man has a wife, kids, and friends who are mourning. Have some empathy, respect them, and if you’re going to celebrate a man dying, do so in private.
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They killed the "lets talk it out guy". They have no idea what theyve done
So what're your thoughts now we know it was a far right extremist aka goyper who shot CK for not being far enough to the right?
Oh that's right all you snivelling right wing lunatics crawled back under your rocks.
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I'm going to challenge you all, right here, right now. Put down the thought of what's right, what's wrong, how people should be reacting, ect. I'm an apathetic bastard and I really could care less either way.
What I have noticed though is there's a LOT of divide on this one, more than usual. Lemmy's pretty homogenous but go outside to Facebook, Instagram, reddit, any of the mainstream places, hell, even talking about it with friends or family, you get some really differing views and people seem ready to discard longtime relationships over it. Hell, I've seen it happen 3 times now so far.
°So what do you think, take off the politics hat for a second and put on the sociology hat. Take a breath, and examine your surroundings.
°How does what's going on make you feel, sad? Angry? Scared, tired or relieved?
°What do you think this says about which direction our society is going, have you got any predictions? Any old timers who have been through near societal collapses before want to throw in their perspective?
I'm genuinely interested in what you all think
Im glad theres one less of them. Those who believe peaceful protesting works will disagree.
Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om7O0MFkmpw
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Thank you for your empathetic reply. You pretty much wrote out what i was thinking. We don't need more violence, we need change not bloodshed. We need people that will safeguard certain lines that may not be crossed.
wrote last edited by [email protected]We need people that will safeguard certain lines that may not be crossed.
Exactly.
"We finally won."
What did it cost?
"Our humanity"
If people are so willing to cross those lines, what are we even doing or trying to uphold?
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Yes, my thoughts exactly too as a Canadian looking in from the outside. The one thing that is bothering me most of all is how much of a martyr the assassination is making out of him
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Im glad theres one less of them. Those who believe peaceful protesting works will disagree.
Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om7O0MFkmpw
Did you mean to post this three times?
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I'm not divided. This is a republican on Republican crime. Fuck them, let them eat themselves for all I care.
You're saying you have no one close to you who disagrees with you? Possibly someone who you were surprised to learn that about? I certainly see many people in a slightly different light now, I probably won't stop being friends with them but it's odd seeing them react a certain way
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It's good entertainment.
As usual, morons on both sides of the fence miss the forest for the trees.
Charlie was a mouthpiece of the ruling class. His whole purpose was to sow division to distract the working class from how it's being exploited by their rulers.
It's good that he's gone, because that's one fewer distraction. It's bad that people, on both sides, still don't realize why it's necessary for people like him to be gone.
We should also be aiming higher. The richer, the better.
I do think the very fact that he wasn't so high up is probably a big contributor as to why people are so divided. I remember the sympathy for the United CEO being pretty much limited to talking heads and the other Billionaires.
We're seeing much more vehement discussion on this one
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You're saying you have no one close to you who disagrees with you? Possibly someone who you were surprised to learn that about? I certainly see many people in a slightly different light now, I probably won't stop being friends with them but it's odd seeing them react a certain way
No I do not since my family is actually compassionate and care about people even if they are not from their group. You know empathy.
This is extremist eating extremist. Let them eat each other.
No one should feel bad or scared for the stupidity of the few, but yet people want us to show compassion to the folks that call people names and cry when the same gets thrown back.
The only people you hear calling for civil war and for destruction is the same people that are killing themselves.
Fuck them.
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I'm going to challenge you all, right here, right now. Put down the thought of what's right, what's wrong, how people should be reacting, ect. I'm an apathetic bastard and I really could care less either way.
What I have noticed though is there's a LOT of divide on this one, more than usual. Lemmy's pretty homogenous but go outside to Facebook, Instagram, reddit, any of the mainstream places, hell, even talking about it with friends or family, you get some really differing views and people seem ready to discard longtime relationships over it. Hell, I've seen it happen 3 times now so far.
°So what do you think, take off the politics hat for a second and put on the sociology hat. Take a breath, and examine your surroundings.
°How does what's going on make you feel, sad? Angry? Scared, tired or relieved?
°What do you think this says about which direction our society is going, have you got any predictions? Any old timers who have been through near societal collapses before want to throw in their perspective?
I'm genuinely interested in what you all think
I don't really know who he is. Who is (was) he?
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I'm going to challenge you all, right here, right now. Put down the thought of what's right, what's wrong, how people should be reacting, ect. I'm an apathetic bastard and I really could care less either way.
What I have noticed though is there's a LOT of divide on this one, more than usual. Lemmy's pretty homogenous but go outside to Facebook, Instagram, reddit, any of the mainstream places, hell, even talking about it with friends or family, you get some really differing views and people seem ready to discard longtime relationships over it. Hell, I've seen it happen 3 times now so far.
°So what do you think, take off the politics hat for a second and put on the sociology hat. Take a breath, and examine your surroundings.
°How does what's going on make you feel, sad? Angry? Scared, tired or relieved?
°What do you think this says about which direction our society is going, have you got any predictions? Any old timers who have been through near societal collapses before want to throw in their perspective?
I'm genuinely interested in what you all think
I don’t support murder, but when people who do call for it like checks notes Charlie Kirk get murdered, I’ll enjoy the irony.
There are some people who the world would be better off without. Can anyone honestly say the US would be a worse place now if Trump had been killed instead of “wounded” at his own shooting?
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I'm going to challenge you all, right here, right now. Put down the thought of what's right, what's wrong, how people should be reacting, ect. I'm an apathetic bastard and I really could care less either way.
What I have noticed though is there's a LOT of divide on this one, more than usual. Lemmy's pretty homogenous but go outside to Facebook, Instagram, reddit, any of the mainstream places, hell, even talking about it with friends or family, you get some really differing views and people seem ready to discard longtime relationships over it. Hell, I've seen it happen 3 times now so far.
°So what do you think, take off the politics hat for a second and put on the sociology hat. Take a breath, and examine your surroundings.
°How does what's going on make you feel, sad? Angry? Scared, tired or relieved?
°What do you think this says about which direction our society is going, have you got any predictions? Any old timers who have been through near societal collapses before want to throw in their perspective?
I'm genuinely interested in what you all think
wrote last edited by [email protected]I don't agree with him. But he shouldn't have been shot. His whole thing was about discussing politics in a civilised manner. That shooter could have came down and debated him.
The video of him dying is just sad. It just shows how inhumane it is.
He wasn't even a politician, just an internet content creator. They just made a martyr.
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I'm going to challenge you all, right here, right now. Put down the thought of what's right, what's wrong, how people should be reacting, ect. I'm an apathetic bastard and I really could care less either way.
What I have noticed though is there's a LOT of divide on this one, more than usual. Lemmy's pretty homogenous but go outside to Facebook, Instagram, reddit, any of the mainstream places, hell, even talking about it with friends or family, you get some really differing views and people seem ready to discard longtime relationships over it. Hell, I've seen it happen 3 times now so far.
°So what do you think, take off the politics hat for a second and put on the sociology hat. Take a breath, and examine your surroundings.
°How does what's going on make you feel, sad? Angry? Scared, tired or relieved?
°What do you think this says about which direction our society is going, have you got any predictions? Any old timers who have been through near societal collapses before want to throw in their perspective?
I'm genuinely interested in what you all think
wrote last edited by [email protected]Never heard of him before he died. He was obviously a cunt of the highest degree. In my country he would have been a right wing extremist and probably been canceled by most serious organizations.
In the USA his views are apparently so normal that he got assassinated by someone that thought he was too much of a lefty?I don't care about him at all tbh. We get news of Americans killing each other everyday, I don't see how he is much different from all the other murder victims. Because he had a stage and a following? Apparently he hated emphaty so I'm considering dishonering him by being emphatic..
How fucked up can a nation be?
I would mourn my country if I was US American.
Since I'm not all I can do is shake my head aphaty and think "oh well, they'll just continue doing whatever they're doing over there"
