So how do you feel about the whole Charlie Kirk divide?
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We need a national online forum. That's my takeaway.
The radicalised left just killed the guy on the right who was trying to do that because they didn’t like what he said.
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His whole thing was about discussing politics in a civilised manner.
No, his whole thing was personally hiding behind civility while empowering and promoting people and ideas that are steeped in political violence.
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I'm going to challenge you all, right here, right now. Put down the thought of what's right, what's wrong, how people should be reacting, ect. I'm an apathetic bastard and I really could care less either way.
What I have noticed though is there's a LOT of divide on this one, more than usual. Lemmy's pretty homogenous but go outside to Facebook, Instagram, reddit, any of the mainstream places, hell, even talking about it with friends or family, you get some really differing views and people seem ready to discard longtime relationships over it. Hell, I've seen it happen 3 times now so far.
°So what do you think, take off the politics hat for a second and put on the sociology hat. Take a breath, and examine your surroundings.
°How does what's going on make you feel, sad? Angry? Scared, tired or relieved?
°What do you think this says about which direction our society is going, have you got any predictions? Any old timers who have been through near societal collapses before want to throw in their perspective?
I'm genuinely interested in what you all think
wrote last edited by [email protected]msms is drum up sympathy for kirk more than it is necessary, despite him being almost unknown in MSM until a few days ago. MSM being owned by conservatives, need the supporters to continue the culture wars. in hindsigt MSM is giving kirk more attention than he deserves. whatever you call it hes being whitewashed in the media as a SAINT of america.
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I think you're right not to spend any energy on this, and I agree that it would be performative to pretend to be sad that he left the world. In some ways, our society is better for normalizing honest reactions to things.
However: I want to encourage you to think about what it means to define him as vermin. Within the meaning of this word is the belief that he is low enough on a hierarchy of worth that he no longer falls under the protections and values we afford to "human". And furthermore, he is of a group that can only be effectively dealt with through extermination.
Personally, I don't think this is a useful philosophical concept. It's very central to the philosophies that Charlie Kirk sought to popularize: the idea that some people, through their worldview and lifestyle have forfeited any minimum universal protections we afford to humans, and instead should be eradicated. Obviously, his criteria of human worth was more or less an inverse of yours, but personally I'd reject his overall framework.
I'm really sure whether I truly disagree with it. But I definitely believe that the framework itself inherently benefits the fascist project far, far more than it could benefit a socialist project.
I definitely don't encourage you to mourn him. But I would encourage you to ask whether you really think there's utility in agreeing with him at all on the principle that humans can be vermin.
wrote last edited by [email protected]See, I’d really like to be graceful about this, but his fans are the kind that want me sent back to Africa, even though my family’s probably been here longer than theirs. That and making jokes about feeding migrants to alligators just a short while ago. You’re welcome to soften the blow for these awful excuses for people, but I will not.
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Or you know this time it's actually christo fascism. Crazy I know.
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I'm going to challenge you all, right here, right now. Put down the thought of what's right, what's wrong, how people should be reacting, ect. I'm an apathetic bastard and I really could care less either way.
What I have noticed though is there's a LOT of divide on this one, more than usual. Lemmy's pretty homogenous but go outside to Facebook, Instagram, reddit, any of the mainstream places, hell, even talking about it with friends or family, you get some really differing views and people seem ready to discard longtime relationships over it. Hell, I've seen it happen 3 times now so far.
°So what do you think, take off the politics hat for a second and put on the sociology hat. Take a breath, and examine your surroundings.
°How does what's going on make you feel, sad? Angry? Scared, tired or relieved?
°What do you think this says about which direction our society is going, have you got any predictions? Any old timers who have been through near societal collapses before want to throw in their perspective?
I'm genuinely interested in what you all think
Charlie Kirk was a terrible human being. The world is better off without him. I don't believe in Hell, but I hope I'm wrong.
While it's traumatic to lose a parent, his kids have the opportunity to be better off without him.
The shooter is a terrible person. I'm glad he was so stupid that he confessed to his dad. It takes the spotlight off decent people. I don't care what happens to him.
Political violence sucks. It's a terrible way to enact change, mainly because the most violent are typically the most unhinged, and then they take power afterward.
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I'm going to challenge you all, right here, right now. Put down the thought of what's right, what's wrong, how people should be reacting, ect. I'm an apathetic bastard and I really could care less either way.
What I have noticed though is there's a LOT of divide on this one, more than usual. Lemmy's pretty homogenous but go outside to Facebook, Instagram, reddit, any of the mainstream places, hell, even talking about it with friends or family, you get some really differing views and people seem ready to discard longtime relationships over it. Hell, I've seen it happen 3 times now so far.
°So what do you think, take off the politics hat for a second and put on the sociology hat. Take a breath, and examine your surroundings.
°How does what's going on make you feel, sad? Angry? Scared, tired or relieved?
°What do you think this says about which direction our society is going, have you got any predictions? Any old timers who have been through near societal collapses before want to throw in their perspective?
I'm genuinely interested in what you all think
Lack of education breeds extremism. Kirk's rhetoric is moronic and divisive. He made a living out of spreading hate and in that sense what he got was some old testament eye for an eye shit from a product of that rhetoric.
His politics have caused the death of thousands of innocent people so I don't care that he's dead, but someone else will replace him. He was so successful because people are uneducated and thus easy prey of nazi simplistic logic.
The bad thing is that assassinations like this are replacing political discourse. People don't discuss any more, conversations are considered as confrontations, nobody is able to have an honest civilized exchange with people who hold opposing views.
We here on lemmy are pretty much aligned, others are similarly aligned in some nazi platform somewhere and there is no ideological friction. Hell even here, when people read something they disagree with they just downvote like fucking morons instead of engaging in conversation.
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I'm going to challenge you all, right here, right now. Put down the thought of what's right, what's wrong, how people should be reacting, ect. I'm an apathetic bastard and I really could care less either way.
What I have noticed though is there's a LOT of divide on this one, more than usual. Lemmy's pretty homogenous but go outside to Facebook, Instagram, reddit, any of the mainstream places, hell, even talking about it with friends or family, you get some really differing views and people seem ready to discard longtime relationships over it. Hell, I've seen it happen 3 times now so far.
°So what do you think, take off the politics hat for a second and put on the sociology hat. Take a breath, and examine your surroundings.
°How does what's going on make you feel, sad? Angry? Scared, tired or relieved?
°What do you think this says about which direction our society is going, have you got any predictions? Any old timers who have been through near societal collapses before want to throw in their perspective?
I'm genuinely interested in what you all think
I didn't want him killed, or even hurt, but I'm not going to pretend he was a good person. He was a loudmouth pseudointellectual who made a living out of spreading hate and calls for violence.
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The shooter is a radicalised far left antifa lover with a trans “girlfriend”.
Not exactly what you call “right wing”.
ok troll run along now the adults are talking
