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Can anyone tell me more about the Crown Prosecution Service, and UK criminal courts in general?

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    Can anyone tell me more about the Crown Prosecution Service, and UK criminal courts in general?

    ::: spoiler Tap for spoiler
    I try not to get hopeful about this stuff, knowing that he'd be getting a pardon if it were an American court... thankful it's not, but I hope UK has better processes...
    :::

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      Can anyone tell me more about the Crown Prosecution Service, and UK criminal courts in general?

      ::: spoiler Tap for spoiler
      I try not to get hopeful about this stuff, knowing that he'd be getting a pardon if it were an American court... thankful it's not, but I hope UK has better processes...
      :::

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      Yes mate, any specific questions?

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        Yes mate, any specific questions?

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        On a scale of 1-10, how hard did you find Lady Butterfly to beat for the first time?

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          On a scale of 1-10, how hard did you find Lady Butterfly to beat for the first time?

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          I have the strength of 1000 butterflies so can beat any other insects

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            I have the strength of 1000 butterflies so can beat any other insects

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            Would you say your opponents feel the sting of the monarch?

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              Would you say your opponents feel the sting of the monarch?

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              They do indeed, and once stung they just buzz off.

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                Yes mate, any specific questions?

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                well, for starters... what is the crown Prosecution service?

                does anyone involved have pardon powers? how about extradition authority?

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                  well, for starters... what is the crown Prosecution service?

                  does anyone involved have pardon powers? how about extradition authority?

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                  OK so IANAL but I do know a little bit about this.

                  The CPS are national government prosecutors. If a case is a minor offence (or there's absolutely no proof at all) police can decide if there's evidence for it to go to court, otherwise CPS do. CPS then manage the case (eg tell police to do other enquiries), and then the CPS present the case in court.

                  With it being high profile realistically a fuckton of work will have been done and senior CPS will be involved. They'll push this case HARD and be really thorough cos staff need to cover their arse. You might find the CPS charging code useful, it shows how they handle each offence.

                  I did some digging and it looks like extradition is fiddly and requires judges (see here). Some countries dont play well with the UK, some do. It's messy cos he's not in the UK so you're dealing with another countries laws, policies and politics. That side I don't know about.

                  I really don't see anyone in the UK pardoning him for this. Nobody will risk their career, and I don't know if they'd legally be allowed to pardon for multiple awful offences. If he's helped out of it, it'll be behind the scenes game of thrones maneuveres. Eg someone finds a procedural issue with the case, and a judge is influenced into saying the issue makes the case unlawful and has to be dropped. It'll be unprovable, untraceable, invisible help.

                  So things don't look good for Tate right now. That could change but right now, he's proper in the shit.

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                    OK so IANAL but I do know a little bit about this.

                    The CPS are national government prosecutors. If a case is a minor offence (or there's absolutely no proof at all) police can decide if there's evidence for it to go to court, otherwise CPS do. CPS then manage the case (eg tell police to do other enquiries), and then the CPS present the case in court.

                    With it being high profile realistically a fuckton of work will have been done and senior CPS will be involved. They'll push this case HARD and be really thorough cos staff need to cover their arse. You might find the CPS charging code useful, it shows how they handle each offence.

                    I did some digging and it looks like extradition is fiddly and requires judges (see here). Some countries dont play well with the UK, some do. It's messy cos he's not in the UK so you're dealing with another countries laws, policies and politics. That side I don't know about.

                    I really don't see anyone in the UK pardoning him for this. Nobody will risk their career, and I don't know if they'd legally be allowed to pardon for multiple awful offences. If he's helped out of it, it'll be behind the scenes game of thrones maneuveres. Eg someone finds a procedural issue with the case, and a judge is influenced into saying the issue makes the case unlawful and has to be dropped. It'll be unprovable, untraceable, invisible help.

                    So things don't look good for Tate right now. That could change but right now, he's proper in the shit.

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                    I really don’t see anyone in the UK pardoning him for this.

                    Farage would.

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                      I really don’t see anyone in the UK pardoning him for this.

                      Farage would.

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                      He'd like to, but he'd be hung out to dry too much. He's too famous and I'm not sure Farage would risk his career for it

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