Its the you get to pick a superpower one. With a twist.
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I actually do not see why it would be very OP to even need the restriction. I mean highly versatile and great for sneaking around but you would not fight better than the animal you are. Someone felt teleportation was to restrictive to the point I would no longer want it and said shapechanging would be my second choice. I was thinking as long as its limited to animals around today (no dinos) and if it took some time to change. Like just a minute so that you cant fly up as a bird and change into an elephant overhead like beast boy sometimes does (although honestly most times you would likely injure yourself quite a bit doing that). I figure even the old werewolf transformations where not a minute of screentime. So my feeling is your almost being to restrictive.
Oh then it is a vocabulary issue of mine. I thought transforming into other humans. Like I could pretend being the President of a country or whatever, pass biometric security etc. (scanning eyes or fingerprint would work)
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Oh then it is a vocabulary issue of mine. I thought transforming into other humans. Like I could pretend being the President of a country or whatever, pass biometric security etc. (scanning eyes or fingerprint would work)
oh oh. Now your limitations make more sense. Honestly a fairly scary one given the potential for fraudulent activity. There should likely have to be a mechanism to get a persons shape like touch or getting their dna or something and maybe not being able to store more than one. So if you shake hands you could steal the persons shape later without turning right then but you can't shake a dozen hands and have them all available. Allowing anyone who you wanted at any time would allow you to steal all the monies
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oh oh. Now your limitations make more sense. Honestly a fairly scary one given the potential for fraudulent activity. There should likely have to be a mechanism to get a persons shape like touch or getting their dna or something and maybe not being able to store more than one. So if you shake hands you could steal the persons shape later without turning right then but you can't shake a dozen hands and have them all available. Allowing anyone who you wanted at any time would allow you to steal all the monies
Oh sure. Didn't think about getting rich. I was thinking about destroying capitalism and my retrictions seemed to require planification and luck.
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Ok so like a genie comes to you and offers to give you a superpower of your choice. He informs you that everyone on the earth is getting this same deal (EDITED - choice of superpower for them). Also you can't be OP. So no monipulating molecules or total control of history. Its one power but it can be versatile but the more versatile it is the less powerful it will be. So like a good earmark is a straight up offensive power won't make you more lethal than a commonly well equiped soldier. So like cyclops beam could be equivalent to antitank, antiaircraft shoulder things or whatnot. But if you were like the human torch where you can fly, produce and manipulate flame. Well your going to be on the level of a military flame thrower. Power has to be around something though so you can't be like superman with unconnected powers of flight, heat vision, strength, invulnerability. But superstrength and resistance to damage would totally makes sense as part of one thing. As you will see below its about using your judgement.
Ok that is the setup but what I want is for you to say what your super power is and then play the role of the genie and decide how it needs to be limited to not be OP (EDITED - OVER POWERED. I realized it could be confused with original poster but im using it in the gaming sense). Here is my answer as an example.
I would ask for teleportation and the genie would be like ok but you can't teleport anything living with you (being able to teleport people where ever like above a volcano is op. I thought about it being limited to people who allow it but you know its to easy to trick someone. I also say any living thing because dropping some predators in places or a disease). Speaking of what you can bring with it can't be to much. No teleporting a semi truck over your opponents. Figure it can be as much as you (I) can carry on an all day hike. Also no teleporting parts of things. So if im driving the semitruck I cannot teleport away with its steering wheel but if the steering wheel of a semi truck were sitting in a junk yard it could totally come along. Ok then in addition nothing volatile. So essentially no explosives or accelerants.
On a final note I had thought about electronics and poisons but ultimately felt it was not that op and would cause the opposite where the limitations start getting pretty annoying. I also want commentary on how wrong it might be or unfair limitations with mine or anyones. I have to admit that once I thought along the lines of OP the power gets worse and worse. Not being able to bring people really locks out one of the better things with this power which is sharing it and saving folks by getting them out of danger.
EDITED - Some responses seem to miss what im going for. The idea is to eliminate anything that would make the power OP. Not limit it to the point where it is no longer a superpower. Keep in mind the examples like cyclops beams being able to take out a tank or a plane. I want legitamate super powers but also though around limiting them from being dominant over all others. Thing in terms of like balancing in a game system.
Another EDIT - this is a bit of a tease but remember everyone on earth is selecting a power from a genie (or the genie maybe he can duplicate himself) at the same time. There was a power or two I was going to put in examples but I kinda wanted to see if anyone would mention them.
EDIT3 - Ok so I teased it and not sure who might see these updates but no one took the bait so what I expected was people to jump onto disabling, copying, and absorbing powers. With everyone in the world having powers these become really useful and could guarantee a job at sensitive locations. It seems to me the examples from media I know are limited enough. Leech from marvel disables all powers around him and he can't control it much outside of increasing the area he effects with effort or holding it in to a smaller area with effort and then the teacher from my hero academia who can precisely target one person at a time and they must be in line of sight (honestly having to not blink seems a bit much to me. I mean one on one it just makes both of them unpowered although its really powerful in a team). I think with copying powers it just needs to be some mix of one at a time, line of sight, not being able to bank or maybe a limit to banking or time period they can be banked and it being a poorer copy. I think the poorer copy has to be there given the versatility or it would be like the definitive choice. Absorbing is tough. I think it would require touch and take time to absorb and something like you could absorb 9o or 99% but the person would still have a bit left and the moment you stop touching you will be losing it and they will be regaining or something. I mean seems a pretty big deal to both shut down the other persons power as well as getting it for yourself.
Let's try flying.
You can fly, but you still have to put in the same amount of effort as if you couldn't fly.
For example if you want to fly over a house it would be at the same speed as climbing a ladder and taking an equal amount of time.
Or if you wanted to fly a mile away it would be the same as running or walking a mile. Also if you want to carry someone or something, how fast could you move while doing it? Same as on the ground or in the air.
Basically you still get the convenience of flying, but you have to put in all the work.
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Let's try flying.
You can fly, but you still have to put in the same amount of effort as if you couldn't fly.
For example if you want to fly over a house it would be at the same speed as climbing a ladder and taking an equal amount of time.
Or if you wanted to fly a mile away it would be the same as running or walking a mile. Also if you want to carry someone or something, how fast could you move while doing it? Same as on the ground or in the air.
Basically you still get the convenience of flying, but you have to put in all the work.
thats pretty restictive. I actually did want the powers to be super, just not op. Fight does have the problem of dropping things from the sky or being able to kite with a gun. I think your restrictions are more than enough. I tell you given how hard it is for me to run a mile im not sure I would want to fly too high. I can walk for long periods at like 4 miles an hour though and being able to travel as the crow flies would be very nice. You would be sorta a spectacle sometimes and even though everyone else has some sort of superpower I think that is why I like teleportation but it could be nice to hover and take in a site. Oh man concerts.
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Never thought of the act of teleporting as quite that powerful. You still have to think and react. Its not really a free shot. I mean like a cycolps person could be blasting someone really far away and have no chance of being hit back unless the opponent also had a ranged superpower (or a gun). I mean you can't really fight someone on the other side of the planet as you would not know where they were precisely enough to go over land a blow and come back. It would allow for ultimate kiting though so you might have something. I will say I would likely change to something else at that point. Going anywhere anytime instantly is really the main draw of the power. If I had a second choice it might be shape changing into any modern animal. A bit like beast boy but not the weird color thing. My guess is it would not be to OP because animals are not OP in relation to a soldier. I could see it taking a bit of time because the whole change into something massive while leaping around in combat does seem OP. A few minutes should suffice I think. And no dinosaurs that seems to much.
Think of it like this...cyclops has to sleep. Cyclops doesn't know you're coming... Or at least not when. You can abort an attempt over and over the second you're sketched out. Unless they catch you by surprise, you have every advantage
Animal transformation has a similar problem. You can go anywhere as a fly or a rat, then you can turn into an elephant and kill anyone instantly
These abilities have way too much tactical value... They're insanely OP. Compared to increased strength or eye beams, these abilities are automatic wins. Unless you get nerfed by loosing any ability to understand tactics or work with others
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Are walls a barrier? And what happens if you, say, path through a tunnel; but it collapses while you're shifting?
Can you teleport someplace you've never seen? Or to a place you're seeing in a picture? Or a live camera view?
The tunnel collapsing during the period extends your "trance" by the difference of going around. Quantum style, you get the minimum conventional journey at the moment of your arrival
You have to know where you're going, pictures work if you have an intuitive understanding of where it is. You have to know how to get there, but you don't have to have been there before or know that it looks like currently
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thats pretty restictive. I actually did want the powers to be super, just not op. Fight does have the problem of dropping things from the sky or being able to kite with a gun. I think your restrictions are more than enough. I tell you given how hard it is for me to run a mile im not sure I would want to fly too high. I can walk for long periods at like 4 miles an hour though and being able to travel as the crow flies would be very nice. You would be sorta a spectacle sometimes and even though everyone else has some sort of superpower I think that is why I like teleportation but it could be nice to hover and take in a site. Oh man concerts.
I think to even it out hovering would have to be free, or maybe a very slow descent. I don't want people to be able to rest in the air, specifically so they can't cross oceans. I guess flying at 4 mph across an ocean is already a hard/long enough task.
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Think of it like this...cyclops has to sleep. Cyclops doesn't know you're coming... Or at least not when. You can abort an attempt over and over the second you're sketched out. Unless they catch you by surprise, you have every advantage
Animal transformation has a similar problem. You can go anywhere as a fly or a rat, then you can turn into an elephant and kill anyone instantly
These abilities have way too much tactical value... They're insanely OP. Compared to increased strength or eye beams, these abilities are automatic wins. Unless you get nerfed by loosing any ability to understand tactics or work with others
I apparently have this nerf although I get what your saying. I just did not quite think of it so assassin-ly. Still you are sneaking up on a guy with something akin to super precise rocket launcher in that he does not need to be worrying about using it at close range. I mean you might teleport away in time but might not. Similarly the shape changing will not save you. Remember it takes some time to do. The reason for that rule was to sorta prevent the suddenly squash thing. What if the shape changing makes noise and a light display so its obvious its happening and hard to sleep through. Actually that could work with the teleportation to.
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I apparently have this nerf although I get what your saying. I just did not quite think of it so assassin-ly. Still you are sneaking up on a guy with something akin to super precise rocket launcher in that he does not need to be worrying about using it at close range. I mean you might teleport away in time but might not. Similarly the shape changing will not save you. Remember it takes some time to do. The reason for that rule was to sorta prevent the suddenly squash thing. What if the shape changing makes noise and a light display so its obvious its happening and hard to sleep through. Actually that could work with the teleportation to.
The shape changing being loud and bright would help nerf it... Not the teleport so much though
In both cases, the delay and the warning are what brunt the tactical advantage
I still don't think it's enough. Maybe if you're extremely vulnerable in your in between states, while the lights and sound are ringing out
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The shape changing being loud and bright would help nerf it... Not the teleport so much though
In both cases, the delay and the warning are what brunt the tactical advantage
I still don't think it's enough. Maybe if you're extremely vulnerable in your in between states, while the lights and sound are ringing out
so would invisibility be OP? I was thinking it would not need much modification.
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Ok so like a genie comes to you and offers to give you a superpower of your choice. He informs you that everyone on the earth is getting this same deal (EDITED - choice of superpower for them). Also you can't be OP. So no monipulating molecules or total control of history. Its one power but it can be versatile but the more versatile it is the less powerful it will be. So like a good earmark is a straight up offensive power won't make you more lethal than a commonly well equiped soldier. So like cyclops beam could be equivalent to antitank, antiaircraft shoulder things or whatnot. But if you were like the human torch where you can fly, produce and manipulate flame. Well your going to be on the level of a military flame thrower. Power has to be around something though so you can't be like superman with unconnected powers of flight, heat vision, strength, invulnerability. But superstrength and resistance to damage would totally makes sense as part of one thing. As you will see below its about using your judgement.
Ok that is the setup but what I want is for you to say what your super power is and then play the role of the genie and decide how it needs to be limited to not be OP (EDITED - OVER POWERED. I realized it could be confused with original poster but im using it in the gaming sense). Here is my answer as an example.
I would ask for teleportation and the genie would be like ok but you can't teleport anything living with you (being able to teleport people where ever like above a volcano is op. I thought about it being limited to people who allow it but you know its to easy to trick someone. I also say any living thing because dropping some predators in places or a disease). Speaking of what you can bring with it can't be to much. No teleporting a semi truck over your opponents. Figure it can be as much as you (I) can carry on an all day hike. Also no teleporting parts of things. So if im driving the semitruck I cannot teleport away with its steering wheel but if the steering wheel of a semi truck were sitting in a junk yard it could totally come along. Ok then in addition nothing volatile. So essentially no explosives or accelerants.
On a final note I had thought about electronics and poisons but ultimately felt it was not that op and would cause the opposite where the limitations start getting pretty annoying. I also want commentary on how wrong it might be or unfair limitations with mine or anyones. I have to admit that once I thought along the lines of OP the power gets worse and worse. Not being able to bring people really locks out one of the better things with this power which is sharing it and saving folks by getting them out of danger.
EDITED - Some responses seem to miss what im going for. The idea is to eliminate anything that would make the power OP. Not limit it to the point where it is no longer a superpower. Keep in mind the examples like cyclops beams being able to take out a tank or a plane. I want legitamate super powers but also though around limiting them from being dominant over all others. Thing in terms of like balancing in a game system.
Another EDIT - this is a bit of a tease but remember everyone on earth is selecting a power from a genie (or the genie maybe he can duplicate himself) at the same time. There was a power or two I was going to put in examples but I kinda wanted to see if anyone would mention them.
EDIT3 - Ok so I teased it and not sure who might see these updates but no one took the bait so what I expected was people to jump onto disabling, copying, and absorbing powers. With everyone in the world having powers these become really useful and could guarantee a job at sensitive locations. It seems to me the examples from media I know are limited enough. Leech from marvel disables all powers around him and he can't control it much outside of increasing the area he effects with effort or holding it in to a smaller area with effort and then the teacher from my hero academia who can precisely target one person at a time and they must be in line of sight (honestly having to not blink seems a bit much to me. I mean one on one it just makes both of them unpowered although its really powerful in a team). I think with copying powers it just needs to be some mix of one at a time, line of sight, not being able to bank or maybe a limit to banking or time period they can be banked and it being a poorer copy. I think the poorer copy has to be there given the versatility or it would be like the definitive choice. Absorbing is tough. I think it would require touch and take time to absorb and something like you could absorb 9o or 99% but the person would still have a bit left and the moment you stop touching you will be losing it and they will be regaining or something. I mean seems a pretty big deal to both shut down the other persons power as well as getting it for yourself.
I can control the inertial forces that my body produces and effects of inertia I create.
Nothing else in my life changes. Same job, same bills.
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so would invisibility be OP? I was thinking it would not need much modification.
Invisibility is way more reasonable. If it extends to things you're holding, it might need a nerf, but you're human sized and can be stopped by doors and such
Basically, you can be defeated if someone knows you're invisible. You're still there, you still have a big advantage, but it's an otherwise fair fight
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Invisibility is way more reasonable. If it extends to things you're holding, it might need a nerf, but you're human sized and can be stopped by doors and such
Basically, you can be defeated if someone knows you're invisible. You're still there, you still have a big advantage, but it's an otherwise fair fight
So you know I was thinking about the delay on the shapeshifting and realize the delay could be quite dangerous. Running through the woods as a stag being chased by wolves you would not be able to change to something more dangerous. Talking with someone else I realized the whole change to something big in mid air from a bird in most cases would result in injuring yourself. Then I was thinking about hunters to and now im thinking maybe the beast boy thing has it right. I would not want to look differently as me but what if the animals where always green like him combined with the transformation making the light and noise. Would that be enough?
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So you know I was thinking about the delay on the shapeshifting and realize the delay could be quite dangerous. Running through the woods as a stag being chased by wolves you would not be able to change to something more dangerous. Talking with someone else I realized the whole change to something big in mid air from a bird in most cases would result in injuring yourself. Then I was thinking about hunters to and now im thinking maybe the beast boy thing has it right. I would not want to look differently as me but what if the animals where always green like him combined with the transformation making the light and noise. Would that be enough?
I think you'd need more limits... Maybe if your mass stays within 20% of your actual body weight?
That would still be extremely strong, but not reality breaking. You'd be very limited in what animals you could turn into, but you could turn into a cheetah, a wolf, an orangutan, a swordfish, and plenty of others. The heaviest flying bird is 88lbs, so flight may or may not be in the table
I don't mind about the coloring so much, I'd say you can pick between always bring green colored and the light and sound of the transformation, both of those give the game away in different ways
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I think you'd need more limits... Maybe if your mass stays within 20% of your actual body weight?
That would still be extremely strong, but not reality breaking. You'd be very limited in what animals you could turn into, but you could turn into a cheetah, a wolf, an orangutan, a swordfish, and plenty of others. The heaviest flying bird is 88lbs, so flight may or may not be in the table
I don't mind about the coloring so much, I'd say you can pick between always bring green colored and the light and sound of the transformation, both of those give the game away in different ways
Well you talked about sneaking up on someone sleeping which sorta prompted the show for transformations. So you could not sneak up small and then turn large. I was thinking actually the orange the hunter vests are because again I was thinking how dangerous it could be running through the woods or such. Likely would not help as a bird. I think being a bird is a really big deal though and losing that would lose a lot of fun of changing into animals. Would limiting to mammals and birds be enough. Honestly I could do without changing into something like insects anyway and im ok skipping lizards and such. Mammals and birds encompass the real neat things to me.
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I have used gurps but prefered the hero system. FYI if its still running champions online uses it somewhat. It does not exactly have a variable power pool but it does have a freeform that can dip into various power sets and you might like to know that power armor is a pretty cool one. My favorite character was power armor. Anyway I think you have it right in the last paragraph. Someone mentioned colossus and I said power man would fit better I think but I think wolverine without the adamantine might work. Be a lot easier to knock him out then. Was trying to avoid multiple powers though like claws and healing or natural camo, prehensile tail, and teleportation. I figure powers based around an animal are still sorta one thing maybe. Much of this post was to hear from folks without the answers like. I can do this one little thing and here is how it would make me invicible. I wanted people to think along the lines of superpowers but not an I win at everything power. I have heard someone talk about a power a bit like one of yours. don't suppose you sold comics somewhere between high school and college?
I have used gurps but prefered the hero system. FYI if its still running champions online uses it somewhat. It does not exactly have a variable power pool but it does have a freeform that can dip into various power sets and you might like to know that power armor is a pretty cool one. My favorite character was power armor.
I've heard about the Hero system off and on for a while now, I might need to look into it.
Anyway I think you have it right in the last paragraph. Someone mentioned colossus and I said power man would fit better I think but I think wolverine without the adamantine might work. Be a lot easier to knock him out then. Was trying to avoid multiple powers though like claws and healing or natural camo, prehensile tail, and teleportation. I figure powers based around an animal are still sorta one thing maybe. Much of this post was to hear from folks without the answers like. I can do this one little thing and here is how it would make me invicible. I wanted people to think along the lines of superpowers but not an I win at everything power.
Sounds like you're looking for unified power sets for street-level superheroes? Multiple powers allowed as long as they're thematically tied together?
I have heard someone talk about a power a bit like one of yours. don’t suppose you sold comics somewhere between high school and college?
Hah, no, sorry! Don't have the disposition to be in sales, and didn't really get into comics much until college. Still not a huge collector, just like superheroics in general
Here's one I'm still struggling to figure out where to place power-wise: a tinkerer/gadgeteer type who makes custom super suits, gear, and vehicles for other supers, specializing in things that work with or enhance their existing abilities. The kind of guy who might have made Cap's shield, Spidey's webslingers, and the Incredimobile.
In the field he leads a squad of mildly enhanced people, all using his gear and vehicles. He rarely engages directly, instead directing his squad in battle. In a pinch, he can also enable "enhanced features" of the gear remotely - things that were in the manuals, if people would only read them! (Though they might not have existed before they were needed, on a meta-game level)
How do you scale the power level of a support/buffing character? By the squad size, by how big of buffs they can grant?
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Well you talked about sneaking up on someone sleeping which sorta prompted the show for transformations. So you could not sneak up small and then turn large. I was thinking actually the orange the hunter vests are because again I was thinking how dangerous it could be running through the woods or such. Likely would not help as a bird. I think being a bird is a really big deal though and losing that would lose a lot of fun of changing into animals. Would limiting to mammals and birds be enough. Honestly I could do without changing into something like insects anyway and im ok skipping lizards and such. Mammals and birds encompass the real neat things to me.
I mean, being able to instantly turn into a bird instantly is still pretty crazy, it's less OP than teleporting for escape, but still really powerful
Since you don't want the time based transformation or to give up flying, maybe a skill aspect? Like, you get the body of the animal, but not the instincts. You'd have to learn how to move each new body, you'd have to teach yourself to fly with a breakable body and learn to run on all fours, but you could do it with
But you also are capped between 25-100% your normal mass... That will let you get some of the larger flying birds, as well as a bunch of larger cats, but nothing so big you can tip over cars or anything
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I mean, being able to instantly turn into a bird instantly is still pretty crazy, it's less OP than teleporting for escape, but still really powerful
Since you don't want the time based transformation or to give up flying, maybe a skill aspect? Like, you get the body of the animal, but not the instincts. You'd have to learn how to move each new body, you'd have to teach yourself to fly with a breakable body and learn to run on all fours, but you could do it with
But you also are capped between 25-100% your normal mass... That will let you get some of the larger flying birds, as well as a bunch of larger cats, but nothing so big you can tip over cars or anything
what wrong with the tipping over cars? we are not limiting this to normal humans the example damage wise is a well equiped modern military person. The largest you can do on land I think is an elephant. Someone with super strength could throw a car at you.
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what wrong with the tipping over cars? we are not limiting this to normal humans the example damage wise is a well equiped modern military person. The largest you can do on land I think is an elephant. Someone with super strength could throw a car at you.
Large mass changes literally break physics - if you can switch from a diving bird to an elephant and back, you wouldn't just be throwing cars, you'd be able to send trucks flying
Limiting your maximim mass to human scale, you could still drop kick someone hard enough to splat them, which is pretty strong. Turn into a cat instead, and you could open them up like cheese as you pass
You also have an insane amount of utility - an eagles eyes can see for miles, a dog (or many animals really) can smell so well it's like a new sense, cats operate with a reaction time beyond human scale... This is a really strong and versatile ability
If the scaling has powers at a scale properly prepared and equipped humans could operate at, I think this is the limit. There's no answer to a rhino flying at you at 100mph... That basically can't be dodged or stopped
