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    can your React do that?? didn't fackin think so dabs mockingly

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      I moved from Visual Basic (3 no less!) to C because I needed to optimize the performance of a software synthesis (like, sound synthesis) application I was developing at the time (mid-1990s). It boggles my mind to this day how much fucking work you had to do just to create a simple window in C. It instantly made clear why UIs at the time were so bad and I went back to Visual Basic for the UI with a compiled C DLL to do the heavy lifting.

      There's no excuse for why UIs are still so bad today.

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      The "excuse" is more or less the 20 or so replacements that have been made and died. I think Microsoft alone is responsible for 5 over the life of Windows.

      We've more or less kinda settled on HTML only because it's already wide spread. But it's not perfect so more standards for the standards pile. Don't worry, react will end up buried by the next thing on the pile eventually.

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        I spent a good fraction of my career taking over and trying to fix code bases that my company refused to scrap and replace outright because they didn't want to admit their worthlessness. Complete rewrites would have taken maybe a tenth of the time I spent.

        My favorite thing to encounter (which was nearly universal) was the phenomenon of a young programmer fresh out of college encountering SQL for the first time, deciding he hated it, and writing a huge mess of code to handle auto-generating the necessary SQL. I remember taking over one C# application that had classes named "AND.cs" and "OR.cs" which just took a String as a parameter and returned that String with " AND " and " OR " appended to it, respectively. In about an hour, I replaced three months of this guy's work that had bottlenecked the project with like five SQL statements.

        It's insane to think what the civil engineering world would be like if it had the career structure of the software world.

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        First thing I tell my interns: "The guys that made that database are smarter than you, they got PhD's for the algorithms the database uses. You are going to use SQL properly, and query properly, because the database will always do it better than your python code."

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          The "excuse" is more or less the 20 or so replacements that have been made and died. I think Microsoft alone is responsible for 5 over the life of Windows.

          We've more or less kinda settled on HTML only because it's already wide spread. But it's not perfect so more standards for the standards pile. Don't worry, react will end up buried by the next thing on the pile eventually.

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          We’ve more or less kinda settled on HTML

          It's funny, one of the modern UI glitches that I hate the most is when a long bit of text is just truncated with ellipses instead of the whole thing being shown and you have to hold the mouse over to get it in a tooltip, or shudder actually click on the thing. HTML is great at word-wrapping and allowing the whole UI to "flow" with variable heights and widths as necessary - and yet that is never allowed to happen in apps.

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            First thing I tell my interns: "The guys that made that database are smarter than you, they got PhD's for the algorithms the database uses. You are going to use SQL properly, and query properly, because the database will always do it better than your python code."

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            Job interviewer: "What's the best sorting algorithm for {whatever}?"
            Me: "The SORT BY clause in SQL."

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            • blackmist@feddit.ukB [email protected]

              There used to be a UI library on the Amiga called MUI.

              It used a bunch of C macros to let you define the window and all the controls. Was honestly pretty good considering it was like 30 years ago.

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              It was a pleasure to work with!

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                I spent a good fraction of my career taking over and trying to fix code bases that my company refused to scrap and replace outright because they didn't want to admit their worthlessness. Complete rewrites would have taken maybe a tenth of the time I spent.

                My favorite thing to encounter (which was nearly universal) was the phenomenon of a young programmer fresh out of college encountering SQL for the first time, deciding he hated it, and writing a huge mess of code to handle auto-generating the necessary SQL. I remember taking over one C# application that had classes named "AND.cs" and "OR.cs" which just took a String as a parameter and returned that String with " AND " and " OR " appended to it, respectively. In about an hour, I replaced three months of this guy's work that had bottlenecked the project with like five SQL statements.

                It's insane to think what the civil engineering world would be like if it had the career structure of the software world.

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                Jesus Fucking Christ.

                I've done a lot of SQL/Database type work as well, and yep, I've been the person learning their insane spider web of db structures, and then either trying to enforce some kind of actual defined standards going forward, or in some instances, succeeding at restrucuring the dbs, transitioning them, and convincing corporate that this actually needed to be done.

                It's insane to think what the civil engineering world would be like if it had the career structure of the software world.

                Points at understaffed ATC tower, collapsing bridge that hasn't been even evaluated in a decade, general state of roadway disrepair and constant re-repair, also the new highway/overpass/lane expansion being built to 'solve traffic' despite doing that literally never working

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                    I bet that thing was fast!

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                    I mean, just because you implemented something in a low level lang, it doesn't mean you're gonna have the fastest implementation. Even in high level langs, there's usually heavy optimization involved in things that are done all the time (e.g. web servers)

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                    • snekmuffin@lemmy.dbzer0.comS [email protected]

                      can your React do that?? didn't fackin think so dabs mockingly

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                      How I love mista azozin...

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                        I spent a good fraction of my career taking over and trying to fix code bases that my company refused to scrap and replace outright because they didn't want to admit their worthlessness. Complete rewrites would have taken maybe a tenth of the time I spent.

                        My favorite thing to encounter (which was nearly universal) was the phenomenon of a young programmer fresh out of college encountering SQL for the first time, deciding he hated it, and writing a huge mess of code to handle auto-generating the necessary SQL. I remember taking over one C# application that had classes named "AND.cs" and "OR.cs" which just took a String as a parameter and returned that String with " AND " and " OR " appended to it, respectively. In about an hour, I replaced three months of this guy's work that had bottlenecked the project with like five SQL statements.

                        It's insane to think what the civil engineering world would be like if it had the career structure of the software world.

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                        Holy shit, have we worked with the same guy?

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                          First thing I tell my interns: "The guys that made that database are smarter than you, they got PhD's for the algorithms the database uses. You are going to use SQL properly, and query properly, because the database will always do it better than your python code."

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                          Nah, we'll just SELECT * from both tables and loop through the arrays in JavaScript to associate the records.

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                            It was a pleasure to work with!

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                            Right? I can't tell you how disappointed I was to move to a "real" PC later and find the tools to be so much worse. Like you could position stuff with a GUI in VB or Delphi, but if you wanted to resize a window, it was a real faff to get everything moving about as it should.

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                              I bet that thing was fast!

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                              Meh. Even hosting static files in a RAM disk over localhost, you're 99% as good as you can be by using the sendfile() system call. The kernel can copy data from one file descriptor to another faster than any userspace program can. Implementing the Length header is a stat() call.

                              If you're not on a RAM disk and not on localhost, then disk access or network throughput will predominate.

                              Assembly is not magic go faster sauce.

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                                I once write a web app in C, but this terrifies even me.. though Tsoding, the guy in the video, did that, too..

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                                  Right? I can't tell you how disappointed I was to move to a "real" PC later and find the tools to be so much worse. Like you could position stuff with a GUI in VB or Delphi, but if you wanted to resize a window, it was a real faff to get everything moving about as it should.

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                                  Yeah, learning Windows GUI programming was like taking 10 steps backwards. As was many other things on Windows compared to AmigaOS.

                                  But it was good to start with something properly designed, learning GTK and wxWidgets was a breeze with a MUI background.

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                                    I bet that thing was fast!

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                                    Who do you think is better at writing assembly? @[email protected] or a modern compiler with hundreds of contributors.

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                                      I used to work for Cisco but I can't say what it's like internally. Not because of an NDA but because I literally have no idea. I worked for a much smaller competitor of theirs that they acquired, obviously just to remove a competitor from the marketplace. We were all allowed to work remotely but given nothing at all to do for six months and then everybody (except the executives, of course) was laid off.

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                                      Literally just had the same thing happen to me. This time at Microsoft. Worked for a small startup. It got bought out in 2023 after investments in actual hardware that wasn't named Nvidia died.

                                      Layoffs on most of our engineers. Somehow I survived and basically did no work for 2 years. Was finally laid off.

                                      I hated it. But I basically stole a salary from Microsoft for two years. Fuck these big tech companies.

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                                        Holy shit, have we worked with the same guy?

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                                        This guy's code once fired a 125 mph knuckleball a foot above a 10-year-old kid's head. Probably not the same guy.

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                                          Honestly "C + SDL + Lua" is basically the best, most sane"full stack" I have ever used.

                                          IMO it allows for the perfect level of abstraction.

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