What is your opinion on national pride / patriotism?
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Does it count as patriotism if you think your country kind of sucks and want to improve it? I suppose many rightwingers are convinced that they are doing exactly that, if only it were actually true ...
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In the long run it's dumb and cringe.
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Does it count as patriotism if you think your country kind of sucks and want to improve it? I suppose many rightwingers are convinced that they are doing exactly that, if only it were actually true ...
wrote on last edited by [email protected]That's exactly why I'm asking. What patriotism is or should be, I can't answer, but I can say that what the self-proclaimed patriots in America are doing atm seems to me like the opposite of what this this strange concept should be about, because they are helping to cement an oligarchy - and that can't be in the interests of US citizens.
Edit: Just to be clear: If you are a US citizen and disagree with the administration's policies, I would consider you a patriot – but I am probably the worst person to ask about this.
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It can be a useful political tool in the imperial periphery when used correctly. In the imperial core it is a tool of oppression.
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It's a coping mechanism that gives people who achieved nothing in their life something to brag about
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Every single person on the planet just happened to be born in some particular place, and every place has some particular set of people who at some point drew some arbitrary lines and decreed that the area within the lines was a country and gave it a name.
The idea that happening to have been born within the confines of one arbitrary set of lines rather than another is something of which to be proud is blatantly stupid.
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It's hard to comment on the flavors of national pride in nations other than the one I live in, but I think if you're an American patriot, you either 1) are proud of horrendous, immoral things, 2) are proud of a mythologized nation-state that stands for liberty and justice which never actually existed.
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This is a good commentary on it:
It's good to want to improve the world around you, which can be given a label of patriotism. Going too far down that road leads to lots of unhappiness, though.
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Pride, no prejudice
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I like it in an unintelligent sentimental way.
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Every single person on the planet just happened to be born in some particular place, and every place has some particular set of people who at some point drew some arbitrary lines and decreed that the area within the lines was a country and gave it a name.
The idea that happening to have been born within the confines of one arbitrary set of lines rather than another is something of which to be proud is blatantly stupid.
The philosophy behind that is that only individual choices matter.
What you're saying is logical, but only if you're on-board with an individualist worldview to start.
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My take is that patriotism is a corruption of the feeling of belonging we get from community.
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I don't attribute anthropomorphism to a country. Improve your environment(mental/physical/emotional), help others; systems of government can come and go.
Id rather be happy than loyal to a fault.
anthropomorphism /ăn″thrə-pə-môr′fĭz″əm/
noun
Attribution of human motivation, characteristics, or behavior to inanimate objects, animals, or natural phenomena.
The representation of the Deity, or of a polytheistic deity, under a human form, or with human attributes and affections.
The ascription of human characteristics to things not human.
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It's a coping mechanism that gives people who achieved nothing in their life something to brag about
Some of my life-achievements involved contributing to my nation.
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I quite like regionalism that doesn't align with national borders. An example would be "limburgers" have a strong shared identity, even as parts of it lie in Belgium, and parts of it lie in the Netherlands.
Fundamentally it comes down to this question, I think: people tend to like to be around people that've shared a same background, is that ok? And to what degree?
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I quite like regionalism that doesn't align with national borders. An example would be "limburgers" have a strong shared identity, even as parts of it lie in Belgium, and parts of it lie in the Netherlands.
Fundamentally it comes down to this question, I think: people tend to like to be around people that've shared a same background, is that ok? And to what degree?
people tend to like to be around people that’ve shared a same background, is that’s ok? And to what degree?
There's different ways of liking people: you don't like your mam the same way you like your friends, and you don't like your funny friend the same way you like your lover.
I have some pretty obscure interests, and the small group of local people who share my interests are from diverse backgrounds (but homogeneous in interests). Different ways of 'liking'. Shared background is one.
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I have no idea who Doug Stanhope is but I like this quote:
Nationalism does nothing but teach you to hate people you never met, and to take pride in accomplishments you had no part in.
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My question to hardcore patriots: Why the hell are you so hyped over a place? Especially a place that is governed like dogshit?
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