So what are they teaching in U.S. criminal or constitutional law school classes right now?
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I woke up to the news of DOJ raiding Jon Bolton's house and as I skimmed through the article, saw the rich quote from man with perpetual deer in headlights face Kash Patel say "NO ONE is above the law." Pssshhhh it's all so farcical.
But anyway any current U.S. law students or professors out there? What is being taught currently given the obvious flouting of the laws by our highest arms of government? What's con law like? Yeesh! Genuinely curious. Now excuse me while I melt away down our slide into fascism. Sigh.
Probably that the law is applied very inconsistently
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Hopefully that the law is irrelevant and the Constitution is toilet paper.
Why would you hope for that?
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I woke up to the news of DOJ raiding Jon Bolton's house and as I skimmed through the article, saw the rich quote from man with perpetual deer in headlights face Kash Patel say "NO ONE is above the law." Pssshhhh it's all so farcical.
But anyway any current U.S. law students or professors out there? What is being taught currently given the obvious flouting of the laws by our highest arms of government? What's con law like? Yeesh! Genuinely curious. Now excuse me while I melt away down our slide into fascism. Sigh.
Raiding a former presidents house with orders to shoot to kill? Just fine, no problem
Raiding some former security advisors house? Absurd! Constitutional crisis!
Unbelievable.
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Hopefully Roman can stick to the monthly schedule and not go offline for years at a time again
Agreed. For that matter, I don't know that he adds a ton to the show (besides creating, hosting, and producing it!)
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Why would you hope for that?
Not to answer for him but I took his reply to simply mean that he hoped they were being honest in their teachings.
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I've "enjoyed" the podcast What Trump can teach us about Con Law with constitutional law professor Elizabeth Joh. It's really not fun, but it IS interesting.
Throughout his first term and starting again this term, they've been talking about the historical basis for presidential powers and stuff, and how we never actually had any rules - only guidelines and gentleman's agreements.
If interesting, will have to check it out. Aka it's Roman Mars huh? I've enjoyed my fair share of 99pi although it's been a while.
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For what it is worth, I took a constitutional law course in the latter part of Obama's second term.
The professor spent a lot of time talking about the accretion of power to the executive branch and very clearly posited that it was a certainty that we would have an issue with authoritarianism in the near future. I remember sitting in class (naively) thinking he was overstating the problem.
Good news though, that same professor has made a lot of headway in eliminating qualified immunity in a few states.Interesting. Yea as much as I stated that I think the general (U.S.) populace has gotten way dumber, I am reminded that there are still a TON of smart people willing to fight the good fight. It's just gotten a LOT harder to broadcast their smart ideas to the masses in a compelling way when we've all got the attention span of gerbils and we're this close to airing "Ouch My Balls" from Idiocracy for real.
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Interesting. Yea as much as I stated that I think the general (U.S.) populace has gotten way dumber, I am reminded that there are still a TON of smart people willing to fight the good fight. It's just gotten a LOT harder to broadcast their smart ideas to the masses in a compelling way when we've all got the attention span of gerbils and we're this close to airing "Ouch My Balls" from Idiocracy for real.
Gotten dumber? We're they smarter when they thought recessions would never happen again and led to the great recession? Or the fucktards supporting Reagan? Or trashing on Vietnam vets as they returned? Or fighting against Civil rights? Or McCarthyism?
I could keep going back. We've always had stupid and evil.
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Gotten dumber? We're they smarter when they thought recessions would never happen again and led to the great recession? Or the fucktards supporting Reagan? Or trashing on Vietnam vets as they returned? Or fighting against Civil rights? Or McCarthyism?
I could keep going back. We've always had stupid and evil.
Yeah, "people used to be better" has been a popular sentiment since Socrates, at least.
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I live a liberal city, and was in public school just a few years ago. They mostly do teach the true ugly history of slavery and genocide. For civics, they do teach about constitution and impeachments, in fact, we as a class analyzed many of the boring parts of the constitution anx declaration of independence, and I had to memorize and write out the preamble of the constitution on a test. There aren't much that's censored.
And they also taught about different political systems, and oh boy, once they mentioned socialism and commmunism, they immediately alluded to the soviet union. Which isn't that surprising since, you know, status-quo liberals.
TLDR: Censorship, not really. Biased teachers, yes, absolutely. Capitalism is always good, anything socialist or communist is soviet union, russia, or china (which is a gross misrepresentation on the ideology)
P.S. One teacher did briefly mentioned Germany and that nazi flags are illegal in modern day Germany and there was a class discussion about it, it was sort of divided, the teacher kinda implied they supported banning nazi flags, but of course, the US Constitution wouldn't allow that to happen. So the concept of free speech absolutism is kinda being debated, athough I think a lot of my peers at the time supported free speech absolutism, at least when it comes to laws.
Is there any specific questions you would like to ask about my liberal city public school? (I'm not gonna name the city, just the fact that its not in a red state)
What did they teach about the Trump stuff? A lot of things are happening, or not happening but widely believed to be happening, that aren't supposed to. Did they discuss the possibility that traditional system of government might not survive?
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What did they teach about the Trump stuff? A lot of things are happening, or not happening but widely believed to be happening, that aren't supposed to. Did they discuss the possibility that traditional system of government might not survive?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Was already out of school during the second term. During the first term, there weren't much of the current blatant constitutional violations. But they did talk about the impeachments, the fact that only 3 presidents have been impeached, the process of impeachements, etc... (most of school was Before Jan 6)
But during the final year of high school, it was after Jan 6, and they did talk about January 6 and the fact that trump's speech to supporters right before the Jan 6 Capitol Attack was the cause of the Riot, that was the term one of the teachers used, it was either referred to as "Attack on the capitol" or "Riot", they did mention that "Some have called it a 'Insurrection' or 'Coup'", but the teachers (at least the teacher I had) never used the term themselves, but only mentioned those terms in reference to the other people using those terms (see: Use–mention distinction), its just "Riot" being the main term. And they did call out the fact that trump's accusations on voter fraud is false.
TLDR: They called out trump's lies, and they said it was trump's actions that caused Jan 6, but never used terms like "treason" or "coup" when they refer to trump's actions.
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I woke up to the news of DOJ raiding Jon Bolton's house and as I skimmed through the article, saw the rich quote from man with perpetual deer in headlights face Kash Patel say "NO ONE is above the law." Pssshhhh it's all so farcical.
But anyway any current U.S. law students or professors out there? What is being taught currently given the obvious flouting of the laws by our highest arms of government? What's con law like? Yeesh! Genuinely curious. Now excuse me while I melt away down our slide into fascism. Sigh.
CRT was meant for law school, not for K-12, or even normal college courses, and people were all got thier panties in a wad.
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I live a liberal city, and was in public school just a few years ago. They mostly do teach the true ugly history of slavery and genocide. For civics, they do teach about constitution and impeachments, in fact, we as a class analyzed many of the boring parts of the constitution anx declaration of independence, and I had to memorize and write out the preamble of the constitution on a test. There aren't much that's censored.
And they also taught about different political systems, and oh boy, once they mentioned socialism and commmunism, they immediately alluded to the soviet union. Which isn't that surprising since, you know, status-quo liberals.
TLDR: Censorship, not really. Biased teachers, yes, absolutely. Capitalism is always good, anything socialist or communist is soviet union, russia, or china (which is a gross misrepresentation on the ideology)
P.S. One teacher did briefly mentioned Germany and that nazi flags are illegal in modern day Germany and there was a class discussion about it, it was sort of divided, the teacher kinda implied they supported banning nazi flags, but of course, the US Constitution wouldn't allow that to happen. So the concept of free speech absolutism is kinda being debated, athough I think a lot of my peers at the time supported free speech absolutism, at least when it comes to laws.
Is there any specific questions you would like to ask about my liberal city public school? (I'm not gonna name the city, just the fact that its not in a red state)
they do teach all that in the early 2000s, but they gloss over it pretty quickly.
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Yeah, "people used to be better" has been a popular sentiment since Socrates, at least.
It occurs to me that generally speaking, the majority of people are good and don't try to accumulate power beyond their needs, while bad people are few but accumulate as much power as possible across multiple generations. Perhaps the half-life of a given empire or civilization is just how long it takes the few to accumulate enough power to fuck everything and cause a reset.
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It occurs to me that generally speaking, the majority of people are good and don't try to accumulate power beyond their needs, while bad people are few but accumulate as much power as possible across multiple generations. Perhaps the half-life of a given empire or civilization is just how long it takes the few to accumulate enough power to fuck everything and cause a reset.
wrote last edited by [email protected]What do you mean? Almost everyone wants more, and will gladly take it if they have an opportunity. That's why lotteries exist, right?
Big history is full of open questions, but there's counterexamples. Short-lived republics are a dime a dozen, while Egypt lasted for thousands of years. There are known cases where inequality actually increases with the end of an empire, like how Roman Britain with it's public bathhouses directly gives way to dark ages Britain with feudal lords and manors. In some cases, a disenfranchised group getting a bit of power is destabilising.
