Will the motherboard in my decade old desktop pc work with any new graphics card?
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Do I need to worry about upgrading motherboard with GPU if its old or will it work okay just buying a new GPU?
Probably it'll be fine, with a few exceptions.
But probably it won't be worth the money unless you're getting a low end card -
Do I need to worry about upgrading motherboard with GPU if its old or will it work okay just buying a new GPU?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Your decade old motherboard may or may not accept a graphics card but your decade old cpu will have a hard time running any modern games. Putting an expensive video card in there would be like buying custom rims for a junk car. If you provide more details like exactly what motherboard cpu you have. What kind of games you wanna play you can get more pointed support
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Do I need to worry about upgrading motherboard with GPU if its old or will it work okay just buying a new GPU?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Yes*
1: Old motherboard PCI-E generation slot may bottleneck bandwidth, make sure you use the slot closet to the CPU for 16x speeds.
2: Old CPU might get bogged down by the massive modern video drivers and make the GPU under perform.
3: Going forward you'll need to consider ReBar support. The newest Radeon GPU will under perform without ReBar enabled. If you don't have that feature, it'll still work, but look up on/off benchmarks.
4: Make sure your power supply can handle any upgrades.
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Your decade old motherboard may or may not accept a graphics card but your decade old cpu will have a hard time running any modern games. Putting an expensive video card in there would be like buying custom rims for a junk car. If you provide more details like exactly what motherboard cpu you have. What kind of games you wanna play you can get more pointed support
wrote on last edited by [email protected]The CPU in that motherboard is the amd ryzen 5 2600 6 core 12 thread 3.4ghz. The GPU is AMD RX 580 6GB. I would be buying more for computational work on a headless server than games, I've never had any issue with modern games because im old and okay living with 1080p + medium settings it all looks fine compared to the PS1 stuff I grew up with.
Im only really concerned with bumping up VRAM GB and hopefully TFLOP speeds. I would really really like at least 16gb of vram but it doesn't come cheap in todays market, the intel arc stuff was a good deal compared to what nvidia and amd want for similar numbers. Ill be limited by pcie version 3 no matter what. Theres some older nvidia cards that also fit the bill that I saw thanks to some other user recommendations but maybe if im spending the money just get the newest GPU series and upgrade all the other parts later?
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The CPU in that motherboard is the amd ryzen 5 2600 6 core 12 thread 3.4ghz. The GPU is AMD RX 580 6GB. I would be buying more for computational work on a headless server than games, I've never had any issue with modern games because im old and okay living with 1080p + medium settings it all looks fine compared to the PS1 stuff I grew up with.
Im only really concerned with bumping up VRAM GB and hopefully TFLOP speeds. I would really really like at least 16gb of vram but it doesn't come cheap in todays market, the intel arc stuff was a good deal compared to what nvidia and amd want for similar numbers. Ill be limited by pcie version 3 no matter what. Theres some older nvidia cards that also fit the bill that I saw thanks to some other user recommendations but maybe if im spending the money just get the newest GPU series and upgrade all the other parts later?
If your power supply will power the arc you should be all set for your use case. Should you need more cpu power you can flash to latest bios and see what the newest am4 cpu your mobo will take. Am4 chips are really cheap these days.
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The CPU in that motherboard is the amd ryzen 5 2600 6 core 12 thread 3.4ghz. The GPU is AMD RX 580 6GB. I would be buying more for computational work on a headless server than games, I've never had any issue with modern games because im old and okay living with 1080p + medium settings it all looks fine compared to the PS1 stuff I grew up with.
Im only really concerned with bumping up VRAM GB and hopefully TFLOP speeds. I would really really like at least 16gb of vram but it doesn't come cheap in todays market, the intel arc stuff was a good deal compared to what nvidia and amd want for similar numbers. Ill be limited by pcie version 3 no matter what. Theres some older nvidia cards that also fit the bill that I saw thanks to some other user recommendations but maybe if im spending the money just get the newest GPU series and upgrade all the other parts later?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]That's an AM4 slot motherboard then! I'd look up the latest motherboard BIOS update, and then throw in the best used CPU you can too. The 450M chipset can support up to Ryzen 5000 series.
A 3800X (~100 CAD used) Ryzen or better is still plenty powerful paired with a modern GPU. Zen 2/3 is way better than the first gen for IPC.
5000 series are still pretty expensive however.
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Intel mentions requiring support on their quickstart guide: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000091128/graphics/intel-arc-dedicated-graphics-family.html
Yeah, that's mostly because performance is so poor without it.
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Here's some more info. This is the motherboard I have it says it's a 'generation 3' but duesnt say what gddr vram it supports. I would like to put in a Intel arc card with gddr6 gram
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I don't think anyone was expecting a Ryzen 3rd Gen era board when you wrote decade old. It's been 7 years since that board released (although I do admit that's a lot closer to a decade then I though it would be).
This board will run any modern GPU. The motherboard doesn't need to specifically be compatible with certain GDDR generations or what not, that is handled by the GPU itself, which communicates with the rest of the PC through PCIe*. You just need to make sure the PSU can deliver enough power.
You should update to the latest BIOS and enable resizable Bar:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000090831/graphics.html*The ARC GPUs are 8° lanes of PCIe 4, your motherboard only has PCIe 3. This means that the bandwidth between the CPU and GPU is half of its maximum. In the vast majority of cases this will be a negligible performance difference of 1-2%, but some edge cases can lose you a bit more performance.
°If the GPU was 16 lanes this would be even less of a problem. Even the fastest GPUs can barely saturate 16 PCIe lanes. The fastest GPU, the Nvidia 5090, only loses 1-4% of performance when comparing PCIe 5x16 vs 3x16 (1/4 its max bandwidth):
https://gamersnexus.net/gpus/nvidia-rtx-5090-pcie-50-vs-40-vs-30-x16-scaling-benchmarks -
I don't think anyone was expecting a Ryzen 3rd Gen era board when you wrote decade old. It's been 7 years since that board released (although I do admit that's a lot closer to a decade then I though it would be).
This board will run any modern GPU. The motherboard doesn't need to specifically be compatible with certain GDDR generations or what not, that is handled by the GPU itself, which communicates with the rest of the PC through PCIe*. You just need to make sure the PSU can deliver enough power.
You should update to the latest BIOS and enable resizable Bar:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000090831/graphics.html*The ARC GPUs are 8° lanes of PCIe 4, your motherboard only has PCIe 3. This means that the bandwidth between the CPU and GPU is half of its maximum. In the vast majority of cases this will be a negligible performance difference of 1-2%, but some edge cases can lose you a bit more performance.
°If the GPU was 16 lanes this would be even less of a problem. Even the fastest GPUs can barely saturate 16 PCIe lanes. The fastest GPU, the Nvidia 5090, only loses 1-4% of performance when comparing PCIe 5x16 vs 3x16 (1/4 its max bandwidth):
https://gamersnexus.net/gpus/nvidia-rtx-5090-pcie-50-vs-40-vs-30-x16-scaling-benchmarkswrote on last edited by [email protected]Thank you for the great response! Yeah not quite a decade but were getting there. For some reason I think lots of people are still stuck in 2010s when they hear 10 year old computer parts they think subconsciously think of duo Pentiums from the early 2000s not intel i7s and AMD ryzens lol.
I decided to get try a nvidia p100 instead. it was more in my price range + it allows cuda with the nvidia card I have in another desktop I could chain up. Thanks for looking up the ARC anyways! Though do you know why it says the p100 says a bus length of 4096 while most other cards are like 128?
P100 specs -
Thank you for the great response! Yeah not quite a decade but were getting there. For some reason I think lots of people are still stuck in 2010s when they hear 10 year old computer parts they think subconsciously think of duo Pentiums from the early 2000s not intel i7s and AMD ryzens lol.
I decided to get try a nvidia p100 instead. it was more in my price range + it allows cuda with the nvidia card I have in another desktop I could chain up. Thanks for looking up the ARC anyways! Though do you know why it says the p100 says a bus length of 4096 while most other cards are like 128?
P100 specsIt's because it uses HBM (high bandwidth memory) as opposed to GDDR.
A short video explaining the differences
https://youtu.be/CGIVKT0eM_s
