Hundreds of Thousands Form 'Red Line' Around The Hague
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The original numbers were 4-6 million, it's only recently been corrected to 13 million by some sources.
4-6 million is pathetic. 13 million is a lot better.
Of course I'm negative when it looks like less than 2 out of 100 of you can be arsed to oppose fascism.
Well done for finally waking up, but you haven't done great yet. Keep going. Until Trump and his ilk are gone you haven't achieved anything but let off some steam.
Keep up the momentum!
Is that better?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Keep up the momentum!
Is that better?
Nope, but at least you're trying.
Edit: Remember, a huge number of people that would protest have either been deported or are afraid of being deported. We're dealing with the baddies after all.
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Absolute numbers absolutely do matter, because it becomes harder and harder to coordinate and handle the logistics involved the more people you have and the larger the area that you are coordinating across.
An estimated 2 million showed up in the city of Boston alone on Saturday, and these protests were coordinated across thousands of miles by ordinary people using social media and cellphones, not some sophisticated form of logistics network or something. Europeans don't understand the sheer scale of the US. Americans are standing up for immigrants at home and thousands of miles away being kidnapped. There were protests in small towns all across the country where they've never had more than a deputy sheriff drive through. It's closer to setting up simultaneous protests in London, Paris, Berlin, Venice, and the Hague than it is to setting up a protest in one city in a country that you can drive across in a single day. These protests made the top 5 of the largest protests in US history.
Europeans also don't truly understand the conditions of the US. The government has spent every day since the death of MLK making these kinds of protests as difficult to pull off as possible. People are desperate but not so desperate that they have nothing left to lose, making them more desperate to hold onto what they do have. The majority of Americans live paycheck to paycheck without access to medical care that won't put them in massive debt or bankrupt them, or any other form of support network that Europeans take for granted. We're dependent on our employers for all of those things. We aren't even guaranteed the 2 weeks of vacation time that is considered the norm here. The average lifespan for an American has fallen for several years in a row now and is equal to the average lifespan of the worst county in the UK. An ambulance ride with no medical care expenses added on can cost you $600 after insurance. The average American has $300 or less in their bank account. Wealth disparity in the US today is higher than it was in France at the time of the French Revolution. We're a 3rd world nation in a Prada belt. A coat of shiny paint over a society and culture built to keep the masses in check.
You might as well criticize the Arab Spring protests for not drawing big enough crowds.
Every one of your complaints stem from Americans not marching in the past. If you want a better life, a better country, more equal distribution of wealth, march! All the excuses you give for people not marching are conditions brought about because your population doesn't generally march in the first place. As a culture, you're so individualised that you forget how to stand up for each other, until it's too late, and blood gets shed. None of us survive in a bubble alone, we all live in communities, we all rely on other people for various things. Unions work because alone we are weak, but together we're strong.
We don't take things like free healthcare for granted, it didn't magically manifest itself, it was fought for by our predecessors. By marching. The same conservative rich fucks that prevent you from having healthcare are consistently trying to remove it from us. We have regular industrial action, attempting to prevent them from taking it away from us.
Do the same.
We have bullshit anti-protest laws too, we still manage to enact change though.
American democracy tends to be passive. You vote red or blue every now and then and that's it. The politicians handle the rest. In Europe there's more to democracy than just voting for your representative. Learn from us, claw your freedoms back. For starters, demand a real democracy where you can vote for more than just 2 choices.
The Arab Spring managed to enact change at least, No Kings hasn't achieved anything yet. I hope it will, but so far the fascists still run the country.
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Protesting the wrong people. If the Hague enacts war crimes tribunals, takes Netanyahu and all of Likud into custody, it ends.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]They've already issued an arrest warrant for Netanyahu before the protest, what more can they do?
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They've already issued an arrest warrant for Netanyahu before the protest, what more can they do?
Actually arrest him?
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Actually arrest him?
How much power do you think they have?
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Honestly wouldn't put it past Trump to then just attack the Hague to release them
U.S. President George Bush today signed into law the American Servicemembers Protection Act of 2002, which is intended to intimidate countries that ratify the treaty for the International Criminal Court (ICC). The new law authorizes the use of military force to liberate any American or citizen of a U.S.-allied country being held by the court, which is located in The Hague.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2002/08/03/us-hague-invasion-act-becomes-law
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Actually arrest him?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]He’d need to be in a country willing to do that. And thus far, he has only visited countries that have refused to arrest him, because they want to keep Israel as an ally.
They can’t just invade another country to arrest the leader. That’s the kind of shit that starts nuclear wars.
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Unfortunately, the EU is nothing more than a cesspool of wannabe fascists in the pay of American-Zionist barbarism. It will do nothing for Gaza.
Well, these days who the hell isn't?
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Hundreds of thousands of people dressed in red marched through the streets of The Hague on Sunday to demand more action against the "genocide" in Gaza.
NGOs such as Amnesty International, Save the Children, Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors Without Borders), and Oxfam organized the demonstration, which ran through the city to the International Court of Justice. The protesters were all dressed in red, creating a "red line".
Organisers described it as the country's largest demonstration in two decades. Many waving Palestinian flags and some chanting "Stop the Genocide", the demonstrators turned a central park in the city into a sea of red on a sunny afternoon.
Hundreds of thousands of people dressed in red marched through the streets of The Hague on Sunday to demand more action against the "genocide" in Gaza.
"the """genocide""" in Gaza"? """"""?
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Every one of your complaints stem from Americans not marching in the past. If you want a better life, a better country, more equal distribution of wealth, march! All the excuses you give for people not marching are conditions brought about because your population doesn't generally march in the first place. As a culture, you're so individualised that you forget how to stand up for each other, until it's too late, and blood gets shed. None of us survive in a bubble alone, we all live in communities, we all rely on other people for various things. Unions work because alone we are weak, but together we're strong.
We don't take things like free healthcare for granted, it didn't magically manifest itself, it was fought for by our predecessors. By marching. The same conservative rich fucks that prevent you from having healthcare are consistently trying to remove it from us. We have regular industrial action, attempting to prevent them from taking it away from us.
Do the same.
We have bullshit anti-protest laws too, we still manage to enact change though.
American democracy tends to be passive. You vote red or blue every now and then and that's it. The politicians handle the rest. In Europe there's more to democracy than just voting for your representative. Learn from us, claw your freedoms back. For starters, demand a real democracy where you can vote for more than just 2 choices.
The Arab Spring managed to enact change at least, No Kings hasn't achieved anything yet. I hope it will, but so far the fascists still run the country.
Every one of your complaints stem from Americans not marching in the past.
This is largely my point, but the more accurate description is that Americans were convinced that those things are bad and should be protested against rather than protested for.
You can't come in here and disparage more than 3 million people (now corrected in the final tally to 13 million people) in an organized protest across a country the size of Europe with that background of stomping down people's ability to protest because a country the size of a single one of our states organized 150,000 people to protest in one city in a country without all those barriers. It would be like me coming in here and saying that the UK doesn't care about the genocide because they had 0 people protesting in London during this protest, or complaining that Russians and the Chinese aren't protesting hard enough.
Historically, most major protest movements in the US since WW2 have come from college students, as they have the financial security to spend the time and energy of being activists while also being the youngest group usually to be politically active, but this is yet another area where the US has cracked down on protesting. Since the Vietnam War protests, the cost of college has risen something like 1,000x (not percent - one thousand times the cost) as a direct retaliation to the protests. Colleges across the US have been protesting the genocide in Palestine since it began and have seen massive police crackdowns including arrests, students being kicked out of college, police stealing or destroying students' property, and students in custody being denied access to life-saving medication.
The last time major change resulted from social upheaval in the US was when MLK was murdered and billions of dollars was burned to the ground in riots that shut down entire cities for a week, and the government has spent the 50+ years since convincing the population how that change was the result of very peaceful and polite protests that didn't inconvenience anyone. The Million Man March was a threat and a display of force that left white people all over the country shaking in fear in their suburbs, and today people think it was a jolly jaunt through the city like a Pride parade.
Let's make a comparison: the city of Boston, Massachusetts had an estimated 2 million protesters on Saturday. Massachusetts is just about half the size of the Netherlands, with a population of about 6.5 million people (compared to the roughly 18 million who live in the Netherlands). That's a protest roughly 1/3rd the size of the entire population of the state. Obviously, people were coming from all over the place (other states included, Boston is one of the major cities in the region), but that doesn't count all the protests that happened in small towns across the state and region as well. We know for a fact that these protests were larger than just about any other time in US history.
