How important are the actors voices when determining if a movie is bad or good? Could changing the voice of an actor turn a really bad movie into a good one?
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Not sure if Bad->Good is possible, but the other way around certainly is.
Imagine BBC nature documentaries being voiced by Gilbert Gottfried instead of David Attenborough.
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Not sure if Bad->Good is possible, but the other way around certainly is.
Imagine BBC nature documentaries being voiced by Gilbert Gottfried instead of David Attenborough.
I would watch the hell out of that haha. American Dad has a joke about the audio book of Plato's Republic read by Gilbert Gottfried.
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I have to say I don't think you can save a movie with casting, but you can definitely ruin a movie with casting. The only example of casting improving a movie are the Pirates of the Caribbean movies and Johnny Depp. Without his take on Jack Sparrow I don't think they would have been able to make a franchise of movies out of an aging theme park ride.
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I have to say I don't think you can save a movie with casting, but you can definitely ruin a movie with casting. The only example of casting improving a movie are the Pirates of the Caribbean movies and Johnny Depp. Without his take on Jack Sparrow I don't think they would have been able to make a franchise of movies out of an aging theme park ride.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]For me its just hard to gauge voice. I was thinking about, what if some of these movies I watch the voice is the thing that helps me connect to the character and I dont even realize it. Some times I watch movies that are of a genre I like, are structured like other movies I like, dialog is fine, but still I'm not getting into it. It could just be me but I'll go back to them, I have a bad habit of stopping and restarting, and I still dont get into it. So not really bad movie and making it good but taking an ok movie and making it great.
I dont know.
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Not sure if Bad->Good is possible, but the other way around certainly is.
Imagine BBC nature documentaries being voiced by Gilbert Gottfried instead of David Attenborough.
I agree. It's rarely going to turn something abjectly terrible into a masterpiece, but it's much easier for it to ruin something. Watch the clips of Darth Vader with David Prowse's voice and ask yourself if that version of Star Wars would have been as iconic.
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For me its just hard to gauge voice. I was thinking about, what if some of these movies I watch the voice is the thing that helps me connect to the character and I dont even realize it. Some times I watch movies that are of a genre I like, are structured like other movies I like, dialog is fine, but still I'm not getting into it. It could just be me but I'll go back to them, I have a bad habit of stopping and restarting, and I still dont get into it. So not really bad movie and making it good but taking an ok movie and making it great.
I dont know.
I mean it's entirely possible to be put off by certain actors and actresses in movies. There are some people I know who cannot stand any movie that Keanu Reeves is in because they think he's got no range and is basically like warm plain oatmeal when it comes to like his spice level. And while I disagree with those people that's entirely their right to feel that sort of way about what they're watching. Like for me I can't stand to watch anything that's got Kristen Stewart or Zendaya in it because they both know how to only act like a block of wood.
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Have you heard David Prowse's voice?
Not wanting to be mean to him, but replacing his voice was a genius move. -
I would watch the hell out of that haha. American Dad has a joke about the audio book of Plato's Republic read by Gilbert Gottfried.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Hard agree. Somehow this sounds amazing.
EDIT: I think I should start a GoFundMe to make this happen.
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I am annoyed as fuck because Billy Goddamn Crystal was a voice in Miyazaki's "Howl's Moving Castle". Cringed every time he spoke, breaking the experience
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To me, not very important. Quality of writing ranks higher for me.
I don't think a different voice can fix a bad movie. That being said, I can't think of any actors whose voices I can't stand.
OTOH, Brotherhood of the Wolf does come to mind here. It's a French movie; I've watched both with subtitles and dubbed. The voice actor for the English dub doesn't quite fit the character.
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Would we remember Batman the Animated a series without Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill? Maybe.
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Sean Connery could have been Gandalf.
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To me, not very important. Quality of writing ranks higher for me.
I don't think a different voice can fix a bad movie. That being said, I can't think of any actors whose voices I can't stand.
OTOH, Brotherhood of the Wolf does come to mind here. It's a French movie; I've watched both with subtitles and dubbed. The voice actor for the English dub doesn't quite fit the character.
Bad acting can ruin good writing though. Just like bad writing can ruin good acting.
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Not sure if Bad->Good is possible, but the other way around certainly is.
Imagine BBC nature documentaries being voiced by Gilbert Gottfried instead of David Attenborough.
I mean imagine the documentary initially with Gottfried and then swap in Attenborough... Bad to good right? I think there's a point here about good films being easy to ruin in many different ways, while bad films are probably already ruined in several ways so fixing one thing like a voice is unlikely to save it.
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Bad acting can ruin good writing though. Just like bad writing can ruin good acting.
Yeah, that's true. Writing alone isn't enough for a good movie -- I'm really just saying that it's the most important element for me.
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Sean Connery could have been Gandalf.
And Nicolas Cage Aragorn
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There are clips floating around of Darth Vader before they dubbed his voice, it completely changes the character, and he just wouldn't have been as intimidating without it.
Yes, it makes a huge difference.
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It might change how much people like it. But I don't think you should confuse good with popularity.
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Historical fun fact:
Back in Ye Olde Days, movies didn't have sound. But it had some amazing moviestars, since it takes a LOT of skill to make a convincing character with no sound.
But then, they invented "Talkies" (as in, movies where people talk). And suddenly, people like Pola Negri, a polish actress with a VERY heavy accent had some major issues. Same for Karl Dane, who had (humorously) a heavy Danish accent. They both went from top-of-the-line, A-list actors to basically nobody. Karl Dane ended up comitting suicide over it.
Other actors, like Charlie Chaplin, just really didn't do many Talkies, except for a few VERY famous ones, his speach in the Great Dictator is famous for a reason.
