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  3. If a YouTube video is watched using a frontend such as Newpipe or Indivious, does it count as a view for the video? Why or why not?

If a YouTube video is watched using a frontend such as Newpipe or Indivious, does it count as a view for the video? Why or why not?

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  • G [email protected]

    So, it seems like not. Edit: But Actually, yes.

    I just tested this by finding some random video about cheese with a low number of views (827 as I write this).

    I watched the WHOLE DAMN THING. TWICE. Kidding, I love cheese, it was lovely. Both times I watched it via Invidious instances. It was 827 before, still 827 right now.

    Edit: OK, looking now, it's up to 830. Dammit, have one of you all been watching my cheese video? I never watched it when I loaded it from YT direct. So there's 1 extra view.

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    To Youtube such views probably look more like a viewbot than a legitimate user, so they don't count it.

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    • G [email protected]

      So, it seems like not. Edit: But Actually, yes.

      I just tested this by finding some random video about cheese with a low number of views (827 as I write this).

      I watched the WHOLE DAMN THING. TWICE. Kidding, I love cheese, it was lovely. Both times I watched it via Invidious instances. It was 827 before, still 827 right now.

      Edit: OK, looking now, it's up to 830. Dammit, have one of you all been watching my cheese video? I never watched it when I loaded it from YT direct. So there's 1 extra view.

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      #8

      Just FYI, view counts don't always update in realtime. Depending on how many views a video already has and how many views it's had in the last hour, the view count may only refresh server-side in intervals.

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      • G [email protected]

        So, it seems like not. Edit: But Actually, yes.

        I just tested this by finding some random video about cheese with a low number of views (827 as I write this).

        I watched the WHOLE DAMN THING. TWICE. Kidding, I love cheese, it was lovely. Both times I watched it via Invidious instances. It was 827 before, still 827 right now.

        Edit: OK, looking now, it's up to 830. Dammit, have one of you all been watching my cheese video? I never watched it when I loaded it from YT direct. So there's 1 extra view.

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        #9

        Even watching on YouTube like that normally won't show the counter go up. It's not a real time counter.

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        • G [email protected]

          So, it seems like not. Edit: But Actually, yes.

          I just tested this by finding some random video about cheese with a low number of views (827 as I write this).

          I watched the WHOLE DAMN THING. TWICE. Kidding, I love cheese, it was lovely. Both times I watched it via Invidious instances. It was 827 before, still 827 right now.

          Edit: OK, looking now, it's up to 830. Dammit, have one of you all been watching my cheese video? I never watched it when I loaded it from YT direct. So there's 1 extra view.

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          #10

          You need to finish the study by proving it does change the views when you watch via youtube directly

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            Yep, up to 830 now. The cheese stands in a crowd! You're right.

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              #12

              Yes, it does.
              I had the same question a while back and tested it with an obscure video I had published myself (20 views within 10 years or so....)

              Views using Newpipe were counted.
              But only once (when watching multiple times in a row).

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                #13

                It depends. Newpipe definitely does, because it's a local client and uses your internet to watch the video. Invidious however can be configured to cache videos, which is useful on bigger instances where people watch the "top" videos. If a video is cached it will simply use the local video stream and not count a view.

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                • M [email protected]

                  Yes, it does.
                  I had the same question a while back and tested it with an obscure video I had published myself (20 views within 10 years or so....)

                  Views using Newpipe were counted.
                  But only once (when watching multiple times in a row).

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                  #14

                  I think it would have only counted once, even if you watched on Youtube directly. They're pretty serious about preventing view count manipulation these days.

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                  • G [email protected]

                    So, it seems like not. Edit: But Actually, yes.

                    I just tested this by finding some random video about cheese with a low number of views (827 as I write this).

                    I watched the WHOLE DAMN THING. TWICE. Kidding, I love cheese, it was lovely. Both times I watched it via Invidious instances. It was 827 before, still 827 right now.

                    Edit: OK, looking now, it's up to 830. Dammit, have one of you all been watching my cheese video? I never watched it when I loaded it from YT direct. So there's 1 extra view.

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                    #15

                    I'm pretty sure YouTube randomly "fuzzes" the public view count of videos specifically to prevent this kind of research.

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                      YouTube doesn't make public their view counting algorithm so that it can't be gamed, so it's anyone's guess.

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                      • I [email protected]

                        YouTube doesn't make public their view counting algorithm so that it can't be gamed, so it's anyone's guess.

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                        #17

                        Ohhhhh! So that's why a lot of the comments to this post contradict each other. Well, that makes senses.

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                          #18

                          Seems @[email protected] has tried this at some point, but maybe repeat rhe test in 2025?

                          • Upload a private/unlisted video to YT
                          • Watch once all the way through on YT
                          • Confirm count went up within 24 he's
                          • Watch on another platform
                          • Rinse, repeat.

                          I'm also curious if yt-dlp has an impact.

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                          • F [email protected]

                            Seems @[email protected] has tried this at some point, but maybe repeat rhe test in 2025?

                            • Upload a private/unlisted video to YT
                            • Watch once all the way through on YT
                            • Confirm count went up within 24 he's
                            • Watch on another platform
                            • Rinse, repeat.

                            I'm also curious if yt-dlp has an impact.

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                            #19

                            Test has actually been done in 2025, just 2 or three months ago.
                            And yes, it took until the next day for the count to increase.

                            Background for the test was, that I am not using paid streaming services any more (and use ad-blocking apps) but wanted to see if the artists still get the views counted.

                            Although actually I am more interested if this is also true for YT-music (which is the main one I am using a lot without paying or watching ads).
                            One might assume it is the same as for the videos, but I don't know how to test it... So if anyone has an idea...?

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                            • none_dc@lemmy.worldN [email protected]

                              Ohhhhh! So that's why a lot of the comments to this post contradict each other. Well, that makes senses.

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                              Yep. I have a few hunches about how it works (I would guess that the answer to your original question is "no" or "only kinda," for instance) but honestly my hunches are likely no better than tea leaves and significantly less tasty.

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                              • M [email protected]

                                Test has actually been done in 2025, just 2 or three months ago.
                                And yes, it took until the next day for the count to increase.

                                Background for the test was, that I am not using paid streaming services any more (and use ad-blocking apps) but wanted to see if the artists still get the views counted.

                                Although actually I am more interested if this is also true for YT-music (which is the main one I am using a lot without paying or watching ads).
                                One might assume it is the same as for the videos, but I don't know how to test it... So if anyone has an idea...?

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                                Hmm, can you get stats on your own music or podcast in the admin pages?

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                                • F [email protected]

                                  Hmm, can you get stats on your own music or podcast in the admin pages?

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                                  Good idea, I could publish a podcast and have a look on how it behaves!
                                  So, just need to think of a podcast topic nobody is likely to want to listen to... hmm...

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                                  • kolanaki@pawb.socialK [email protected]

                                    Even watching on YouTube like that normally won't show the counter go up. It's not a real time counter.

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                                    The only time I know YouTube view counts are accurate and not being fuzzed, is when I upload a video, instantly make it private, and never click on it. Zero views. Confirmed. 😊🤷🏼‍♀️

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