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Mozilla under fire for Firefox AI "bloat" that blows up CPU and drains battery

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    Hmm, I bet Librewolf doesn't have that...

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    • paequ2@lemmy.todayP [email protected]

      Come to LibreWolf, the waters fine!

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      It really is! Just needs an Android fork and it'll be on all my devices.

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        Come to LibreWolf, the waters fine!

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        Am a wolf (that uses LW), can confirm

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          Keep firing

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            Holy fucking shit. I swear to God, I had to download chromium because running Jupiter lab in browser ate through 22gb of ram and got my shit OOM killed. If this is what's causing it I stg. I'm not even using vanilla Firefox, but the Zen fork got tebased on v141 right before this happened

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              Now, several users have taken to the Firefox subreddit to complain about high CPU usage when using the feature, as well as express their disappointment in Mozilla for adding AI to the browser.

              I don't think it even downloads the model if you never enable or use it.

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              • tropicaldingdong@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

                Is that what the FUCK has been happening? I've been having tabs just BLOW Up in ram and CPU usage

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                This doesn't trigger unless you enable and use it afaik

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                  Instead of capitalising on Google pissing off power users with its crusade against adblockers, why the hell is Mozilla fucking up so hard here? Seriously, which chain of command green lit all of this and didn't even think this would be remotely an issue?

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                  Sadly this is nothing new for Mozilla. It's easier to count the decisions they've made that aren't terrible than the ones that are. Their history is a long series of fuckups occasionally punctuated by a decent decision.

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                  • sir_kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.comS [email protected]

                    It really is! Just needs an Android fork and it'll be on all my devices.

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                    use ironfox for android, it's the continuation of Mull

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                    • sir_kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.comS [email protected]

                      It really is! Just needs an Android fork and it'll be on all my devices.

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                      Try IronFox on android.

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                        Instead of capitalising on Google pissing off power users with its crusade against adblockers, why the hell is Mozilla fucking up so hard here? Seriously, which chain of command green lit all of this and didn't even think this would be remotely an issue?

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                        it might have been Laura Chambers, who is CEO since early 2024.

                        It has been less than a week since the new interim CEO took over the reigns from long-time Mozilla CEO Mitchell Baker. Today news broke that Mozilla is changing its product strategy going forward.
                        The organization plans to focus on bringing "trustworthy AI into Firefox" and to scale back some of its other products and services.

                        Breaking: Mozilla changes strategy, focuses on Firefox and AI

                        She used to work for McKinsey according to her Wikipedia
                        which explains a lot if you ask me.

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                          use ironfox for android, it's the continuation of Mull

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                          I'll check that out!

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                            Now, several users have taken to the Firefox subreddit to complain about high CPU usage when using the feature, as well as express their disappointment in Mozilla for adding AI to the browser.

                            I don't think it even downloads the model if you never enable or use it.

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                            I love that people get upset that their CPU is using its resources when they're using it.

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                              Sadly this is nothing new for Mozilla. It's easier to count the decisions they've made that aren't terrible than the ones that are. Their history is a long series of fuckups occasionally punctuated by a decent decision.

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                              Because of this, I've always had 'mixed feelings' (to put it mildly) towards Mozilla, and sometimes I really struggle not to hate them. They're (yet) not Google or Microsoft and that's cool, but besides that, I also cannot think of more than a handful of good decisions against a ton of pretty awful ones, so right now I've settled for 'a necessary evil', which is pretty sad considering their potential.

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                                First thing I did when some hey we added AI... was to right-click and disable it.

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                                • nathan@piefed.alphapuggle.devN [email protected]

                                  Holy fucking shit. I swear to God, I had to download chromium because running Jupiter lab in browser ate through 22gb of ram and got my shit OOM killed. If this is what's causing it I stg. I'm not even using vanilla Firefox, but the Zen fork got tebased on v141 right before this happened

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                                  Sounds kind a jupyter lab issue

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                                    The pathological need to find something to use LLMs for is so bizzare.

                                    It’s like the opposite of classic ML, relatively tiny special purpose models trained for something critical, out of desperation, because it just can’t be done well conventionally.

                                    But this:

                                    AI-enhanced tab groups. Powered by a local AI model, these groups identify related tabs and suggest names for them. There is even a "Suggest more tabs for group" button that users can click to get recommendations.

                                    Take out the word AI.

                                    Enhanced tab groups. Powered by a local algorithm, these groups identify related tabs and suggest names for them. There is even a "Suggest more tabs for group" button that users can click to get recommendations.

                                    If this feature took, say, a gigabyte of RAM and a bunch of CPU, it would be laughed out. But somehow it ships because it has the word AI in it? That makes no sense.

                                    I am a massive local LLM advocate. I like “generative” ML, within reason and ethics. But this is just stupid.

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                                    even without AI, to me tab groups are already feature creep bloat in browsers. do people really put that much effort into organizing tabs?

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                                      Sounds kind a jupyter lab issue

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                                      Julyterlab has been pinned for multiple versions now and the issue only started happening on the latest Firefox update. Still works fine in chromium

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                                        Instead of capitalising on Google pissing off power users with its crusade against adblockers, why the hell is Mozilla fucking up so hard here? Seriously, which chain of command green lit all of this and didn't even think this would be remotely an issue?

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                                        Even if they wanted to bank on the adblocker thing I imagine they can't because they have to stay in Google's good graces. Like 90% of their revenue was google money, and has been for years now.

                                        At this point I'd honestly even pay for a privacy focused mozilla browser that is clean of all this crap, just to keep them afloat, but fat chance of that happening.

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                                          even without AI, to me tab groups are already feature creep bloat in browsers. do people really put that much effort into organizing tabs?

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                                          No, but I think the idea of a second layer of organization to tabs is a wonderful idea. Maybe not a gig of RAM to sort them, sure.

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