Mozilla under fire for Firefox AI "bloat" that blows up CPU and drains battery
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browser.ml.chat.enabled falseYou only disable the chat. Overall setting seems to be
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I agree with you on almost everything.
It’s like the opposite of classic ML, relatively tiny special purpose models trained for something critical, out of desperation, because it just can’t be done well conventionally.
Here i disagree. ML is using high dimensional statistics. There exist many problems, which are by their nature problems of high dimensional statistics.
If you have for an example an engineering problem, it can make sense to use an ML approach, to find patterns in the relationship between input conditions and output results. Based on this patterns you have an idea, where you need to focus in the physical theory for understanding and optimizing it.
Another example for "generative AI" i have seen is creating models of hearts. So by feeding it the MRI scans of hundreds of real hearts, millions of models for probable heart shapes can be created and the interaction with medical equipment can be studied on them. This isn't a "desperate" approach. It is a smart approach.
Based on this patterns you have an idea, where you need to focus in the physical theory for understanding and optimizing it.
How do you tell what the patterns are, or how to interpret them?
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Based on this patterns you have an idea, where you need to focus in the physical theory for understanding and optimizing it.
How do you tell what the patterns are, or how to interpret them?
wrote last edited by [email protected]The recognition of the pattern is done by the machine learning. That is the core concept of machine learning.
For the interpretation you need to use your domain knowledge. Machine learning together with knowledge in the domain analyzed can be a very powerful combination.
Another example in research i have heard about recently, is detection of brain tumors before they occur. MRIs are analyzed of people who later developed brain tumors to see if patterns can be detected in the people who developed the tumors that are absent in the people who didn't develop tumors. This knowledge of a correlation between certain patterns and later tumor development could help specialists to further their understanding of how tumors develop as they can analyze these specific patterns.
What we see with ChatGPT and other LLMs is kind of doing the opposite by detaching the algorithm from any specific knowledge. Subsequently the algorithm can make predictions on anything and they are worth nothing.
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even without AI, to me tab groups are already feature creep bloat in browsers. do people really put that much effort into organizing tabs?
I started using tab groups when they released vertical tabs.
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use ironfox for android, it's the continuation of Mull
Mull has stopped develop? 🥺
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even without AI, to me tab groups are already feature creep bloat in browsers. do people really put that much effort into organizing tabs?
For work at any given point I have 17-20 tabs open. It's totally useful for me to sort them into tabs to cut out the "noise" when I'm doing research.
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I just use Librewolf so its removed by default.
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I love that people get upset that their CPU is using its resources when they're using it.
Reminds me of how some people get upset when their OS uses up all their RAM, no matter how much they have. It's like they want their PC to be sluggish and unresponsive. Unused RAM is wasted RAM.
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Even if they wanted to bank on the adblocker thing I imagine they can't because they have to stay in Google's good graces. Like 90% of their revenue was google money, and has been for years now.
At this point I'd honestly even pay for a privacy focused mozilla browser that is clean of all this crap, just to keep them afloat, but fat chance of that happening.
At this point I'd honestly even pay for a privacy focused mozilla browser that is clean of all this crap, just to keep them afloat, but fat chance of that happening.
As much as I'd love for something like that I don't think it's even remotely possible. I don't think enough people are willing enough to pay for a browser that respects them, heck the amount of people who remain on Chrome shows that people aren't even willing to take a small step to stop using a browser that's actively working against their interests. I'd love to be proven wrong though.
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First thing I did when some hey we added AI... was to right-click and disable it.
That'll stop 'em
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Which fork should I be using? I am already using IronFox on Android and I'm loving it. What about Linux? What's your favourite?
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Reminds me of how some people get upset when their OS uses up all their RAM, no matter how much they have. It's like they want their PC to be sluggish and unresponsive. Unused RAM is wasted RAM.
Did a project several years where the customrr required that the server we delivered specifically for the project never use more than 50% CPU or RAM. No requirements about how fast it actually performs its intended function, just that it can only utilise half the available resources while doing it.
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Which fork should I be using? I am already using IronFox on Android and I'm loving it. What about Linux? What's your favourite?
I have zen and librewolf on linux and waterfox on android.
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Which fork should I be using? I am already using IronFox on Android and I'm loving it. What about Linux? What's your favourite?
Firefox-ESR.
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Now, several users have taken to the Firefox subreddit to complain about high CPU usage when using the feature, as well as express their disappointment in Mozilla for adding AI to the browser.
I don't think it even downloads the model if you never enable or use it.
wrote last edited by [email protected]"I've noticed that my CPU, GPU, and power usage goes up when I run games. Valve needs to fix this ASAP! Steam is literally unusable!"
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Which fork should I be using? I am already using IronFox on Android and I'm loving it. What about Linux? What's your favourite?
I use vanilla FF, Floorp, LibreWolf, and Mullvad in the FF family (plus Vivaldi for Chromium) - I only use vanilla FF for anything that I want to use persistent logins and containers for, so it's like an hour a day at most. I only installed the update 36 hours ago, do other than set bookmarks, I haven't searched anything with FF to give it the opportunity to recommend anything.
In the settings, there's 2 boxes you can un-check about recommendations. Seems pretty easy to disable this.
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At this point I'd honestly even pay for a privacy focused mozilla browser that is clean of all this crap, just to keep them afloat, but fat chance of that happening.
As much as I'd love for something like that I don't think it's even remotely possible. I don't think enough people are willing enough to pay for a browser that respects them, heck the amount of people who remain on Chrome shows that people aren't even willing to take a small step to stop using a browser that's actively working against their interests. I'd love to be proven wrong though.
wrote last edited by [email protected]This. It costs hundreds of millions per year to develop a web renderer. The security expertise required in particular is immense.
People have made clear they will not pay for browsers. At the same time, Mozilla doesn't want to hoover up mountains of personally identifiable information like Google and MS do.
People hate Mozilla for doing what they can to make money, and they also hate the idea of paying.
I understand the frustration, but I genuinely don't know what the community expects.
Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with or see sense in every Mozilla decision, but people act like they're satan incarnate and it's just ridiculous.
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Now, several users have taken to the Firefox subreddit to complain about high CPU usage when using the feature, as well as express their disappointment in Mozilla for adding AI to the browser.
I don't think it even downloads the model if you never enable or use it.
Isn't this enabled by default? And don't you have to manually edit the config settings in the browser to disable it?
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Instead of capitalising on Google pissing off power users with its crusade against adblockers, why the hell is Mozilla fucking up so hard here? Seriously, which chain of command green lit all of this and didn't even think this would be remotely an issue?
The company is doomed with this kind of leadership
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Isn't this enabled by default? And don't you have to manually edit the config settings in the browser to disable it?
It wasn't for me
browser.tabs.groups.smart.enabled = false
