They're literally conspiring against you
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Yeah, that’s got to be difficult. I’m in the opposite boat, as a 178 cm tall woman. I struggled finding dresses that were long enough in the US, but upon moving to central Europe, I have no issues at all (and my size shoe doesn’t run out within a day of being restocked anymore). I basically just don’t buy clothing made by Asian companies unless I can try it on in person first. People joke about “big bones,” but I’ve got a BMI of 20 and I have tried on XL and XXL sizes that don’t go over my shoulders.
I don't remember ever buying cloth/shoe i can't try first, because i need to know how loose it gonna be
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This isn't just a problem with women's jeans which have arbitrary size numbers. Even men's jeans which are size by the actual waist and inseam measurement can be wrong. In addition to vanity sizing, cheaper jeans are also made from larger material cuts out of the patterns at the same time to save manufacturing cost sometimes twice as many as shown here:
Those at the top or bottom of the stack may end up a bit smaller or a bit larger than the pattern, but they all get marked with the same size.
Whether it was this manufacturing problem or vanity sizing, this is why I stopped buying Old Navy jeans. I could pick out 3 jeans all labeled with the same size and one would fit okay, one would be too small, and one too large. I have never had this problem with Eddie Bauer jeans.
Edit: I found picture showing the larger stacks (which can introduce the mismatched sizing) I was referring to:
Dickes's work pants are always like this, horribly inconsistent. But they were cheap and they last forever so you just have to grab a pile of the same size, try them all on and buy the ones that fit. Good luck ordering online...
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The employee told me that there are tons of other men having the same problem at that store. Just because 80% of your customers wear L or larger doesn’t mean you shouldnt stock any inventory for the 20% that wear S or M.
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I just want to see more women's clothes with pockets.
That's funny, I'm over here wishing for men's clothes with less pockets
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I don't remember ever buying cloth/shoe i can't try first, because i need to know how loose it gonna be
Yeah, there’s also unfortunately a difference in how a man wearing clothes that are too big vs a woman wearing clothes that are too small or too big is received. It was only a real problem for me with professional clothing, because otherwise I can get away with a dress unintentionally falling mid-thigh or sizing up and looking like I’m doing a menswear style.
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Men's pants too. And at the same store, by the EXACT SAME maker.
I have 34's, 36's and 38's in different colours and materials. They all fit comfortably, and if i get different sizes in those particular styles, they're either too big or too small.
Make it make sense, please.
I've literally purchased 2 identical pairs and they've still been different sizes
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If anyone is down for a fascinating video essay about this by a textile historian: Standardized Sizes Ruined our Clothing Quality
Have you ever wondered how we let clothing quality get so bad? It wasn't just desperation for cheaper options- the 18th century consumer would never have been willing to pay so much for such poor quality cloth. And yet, they stayed clothed. Even their cheaper options lasting years of hard wear. But they knew what quality looked like and for the most part, we don't.
When did we forget how to shop for good clothing rather than just trendy? What makes clothing "high quality" is so complex and nearly impossible to track with online shopping. Even in person, it's not a simple answer. But it used to be that more money meant more quality, plain and simple. Where did we mess up this system? Turns out, standardized sizing allowed (and even encouraged) far more than just issues with poor fit and body image.
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I feel this. Even for jeans, where measurements are given, it can be tricky to get them right. Oftentimes, the cut makes all the difference. In the end, that's the design of the garment and that might fit your body or not. I think designers should have all the freedom in the world making their jeans tighter or looser, higher or lower at the spots they want but a better description would reduce returns for online stores a lot.
Though, I've seen some stores which put serious effort into this, allowing you to enter body measurements and then showing how it might fit you with a sketch or allowing you to compare it with another pair of jeans.
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I feel this. Even for jeans, where measurements are given, it can be tricky to get them right. Oftentimes, the cut makes all the difference. In the end, that's the design of the garment and that might fit your body or not. I think designers should have all the freedom in the world making their jeans tighter or looser, higher or lower at the spots they want but a better description would reduce returns for online stores a lot.
Though, I've seen some stores which put serious effort into this, allowing you to enter body measurements and then showing how it might fit you with a sketch or allowing you to compare it with another pair of jeans.
Tbh, online shopping clothes has never been a good idea. I don't know how it became so popular when it is so much extra effort to find clothes that actually fit without gathering a huge collection of pieces that don't.
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While true, it's hardly fair that I, as a man, don't need to learn to sew, buy a sewing machine , spend time getting materials or actually doing the sewing in order to have good pockets. My pants just come with good pockets.
Yes, but men's clothes come with the other issues, too. I just started sewing my own pants because I couldn't find a pair that was in the right spot between good fit and style, affordability, quality and not being made under exploitive labour conditions.
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Maybe if you're getting it tailored or something but off the shelf it can be a crapshoot for us, too. I have "32" jeans that range from hanging off me to I can't wear them comfortably.
I've never had a medium shirt that didn't fit me.
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Men's pants too. And at the same store, by the EXACT SAME maker.
I have 34's, 36's and 38's in different colours and materials. They all fit comfortably, and if i get different sizes in those particular styles, they're either too big or too small.
Make it make sense, please.
That's just poor quality control.
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For a mechanized process with no customization; the fucking lack of standards is really maddening.
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Tbh, online shopping clothes has never been a good idea. I don't know how it became so popular when it is so much extra effort to find clothes that actually fit without gathering a huge collection of pieces that don't.
Stores rarely have the sizes I need. Shoes and clothes are a pain to find.. but when I find something I buy the same thing online over and over again until I can't get it anywhere anymore. It's easier than going to the stores and realizing they don't have it anymore.
Over the years I've also gathered a few brands that make clothes I like, I understood their sizing scheme and are not fast fashion. It's easier to search online what I want and then order it to the store.
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i know the author is only familiar with their own experiences and i don't expect them to know the other side but this is definitely not exclusive to women's clothes. every brand just uses their own sizes for everything from hats to pants to shoes.
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Aaaah. Nice jeans do you have it in 36?
No we don't stock big or small sizes.
Okay then, buys on the internet, gets jeans that :
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Wrong size in height or width
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Fits so bad you can't sit down
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They mistook your order for a Circus Tent
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For a mechanized process with no customization; the fucking lack of standards is really maddening.
Just ordering on Amazon the same product in the same size with the same material, but you want a different color. Turns out the size is all fucked up, it’s not even the same material. But it’s a different color.
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If anyone is down for a fascinating video essay about this by a textile historian: Standardized Sizes Ruined our Clothing Quality
Have you ever wondered how we let clothing quality get so bad? It wasn't just desperation for cheaper options- the 18th century consumer would never have been willing to pay so much for such poor quality cloth. And yet, they stayed clothed. Even their cheaper options lasting years of hard wear. But they knew what quality looked like and for the most part, we don't.
When did we forget how to shop for good clothing rather than just trendy? What makes clothing "high quality" is so complex and nearly impossible to track with online shopping. Even in person, it's not a simple answer. But it used to be that more money meant more quality, plain and simple. Where did we mess up this system? Turns out, standardized sizing allowed (and even encouraged) far more than just issues with poor fit and body image.
Back in the day you'd get a pair of jeans and they'd tailor it to your needs. If it was high quality materials I'd pay 200€ for a pair. Much cheaper than 5 x 60-80€ for bad / low quality crap.
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Men's pants too. And at the same store, by the EXACT SAME maker.
I have 34's, 36's and 38's in different colours and materials. They all fit comfortably, and if i get different sizes in those particular styles, they're either too big or too small.
Make it make sense, please.
You gained weight after the first purchase, and then converted the fat to muscle in the second purchase
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Aaaah. Nice jeans do you have it in 36?
No we don't stock big or small sizes.
Okay then, buys on the internet, gets jeans that :
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Wrong size in height or width
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Fits so bad you can't sit down
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They mistook your order for a Circus Tent
Yeah this is my life, I'm 38-40 waist depending if I've been looking after myself.
Basically that size doesn't exist on the high street, and it's never in stock online. I literally have to buy summer clothes in winter and vice versa because that's the only time I stand a chance of getting it in my size. I've wanted to buy a new pair of shorts from Levi's all summer and despite checking every week, I've not seen any in stock once.
And that's all before it arrives and then all the shit you mentioned can happen.
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