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public services of an entire german state switches from Microsoft to open source (Libreoffice, Linux, Nextcloud, Thunderbird)

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  • S [email protected]

    Please become a thing. Having viruses custom tailored for your OS means you've made it.

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    #96

    There already are. I barely missed a linux virus from a hijacked python package what... two years ago?

    Linux desktops are quite non-homogenous though, so their vectors/nature is kinda different.

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    • C [email protected]

      Germany has done this multiple times before. Microsoft has historically swept in with some sweetheart deal to lure them back.

      Hopefully it sticks this time.

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      #97

      Hard to catch fish if you see the fish as dumb idiots, for some reason the fish don't seem to respond well to it idk.

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      • L [email protected]

        188K doesnt sound much

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        #98

        A cost worth cutting nonetheless

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        • N [email protected]

          For me the trouble has always been interactions with other people. It's way better than 10 years ago. Just LibreOffices ribbon interface looks so much better today than 5 years ago. File compatibility is just going to be a continued growing pain until LibreOffice hits a major marketshare

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          ODF master race?

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            There already are. I barely missed a linux virus from a hijacked python package what... two years ago?

            Linux desktops are quite non-homogenous though, so their vectors/nature is kinda different.

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            #100

            Sure, and they have been for decades. They're still not that common though.

            What Python package almost got you?

            I wonder if I've been hit but just haven't noticed because I tend to run things in containers.

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            • V [email protected]

              LibreOffice is a great alternative for 99% of people, but there is that 1% of people who is gonna be disappointment.
              This is a great step though.

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              #101

              I just switched to Linux and got a new win11 laptop for my wife.

              Had to install a old HP Laser MFC (going to switch to brother when I run out of toner).

              It just worked on Linux mint. Auto installed. Printing and scanning.
              On win10 worked automatically. Printing and scanning.
              On Win 11 it installed with a generic driver and printed fine but not scanning. Had to get the win10 driver from the site... WTH.

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              • N [email protected]

                they will save 188,000 € on Microsoft license fees per year

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                That is such a crazy amount of money on license fees, especially when you consider that there are mostly free alternatives. I am always choosing foss options as I build my small business.

                Right now, I am using onedrive, and Microsoft for my business email. Which I think comes out to like $5 a month.

                My understanding is that for reliable email, you need to host with microsoft or google otherwise you are more likely to get sorted into junk mail. If that is incorrect, please let me know.

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                • S [email protected]

                  Sure, and they have been for decades. They're still not that common though.

                  What Python package almost got you?

                  I wonder if I've been hit but just haven't noticed because I tend to run things in containers.

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                  #103

                  Pytorch Nightly:
                  https://pytorch.org/blog/compromised-nightly-dependency/

                  https://www.theregister.com/2023/01/04/pypi_pytorch_dependency_attack/

                  Funnily enough I can't even post what it does without the Lemmy comment filter zapping me, but it tried to scrape accounts and passwords.

                  The malicious binary would upload files ranging in size up to 99,999 bytes and send the contents to a specified domain.

                  Was pretty scary from my perspective. I missed it by a week. PyPi is a mess, and it makes me wonder how much isn't caught.

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                  • I [email protected]

                    Windows + office + account and identity management all come with Ms 365 business in the first tier past family. For about $15 or $16 a month you can use InTune to set up logins and select enrollment with MFA as well a provision computers and management with InTune including Boyd self enrollment for laptops, Android, and Apple. All your files get rbac, backup, and recovery from day 1. You can, and I would recommend strongly against this, even manage your osx devices from InTune.

                    It's very slick and there is a reason business use it. This thread is somewhat delusional on how easy it is to manage and how terrible office 365 is.

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                    #104

                    UntilI can log a user on and have all their stuff automatically sync or download on Linux. Microsoft can have office computers. But please, please let Linux take over gaming.

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                    • N [email protected]

                      they will save 188,000 € on Microsoft license fees per year

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                      #105

                      There in that place where closed systems are frowned upon, Install Linux, Problem Solved.

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                        they will save 188,000 € on Microsoft license fees per year

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                        #106

                        An interesting fact about Europe is they've long disobeyed their own procurement laws to choose Microsoft software, whether its corruption or what I've got no idea, I assume so though.

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                          they will save 188,000 € on Microsoft license fees per year

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                          I sometimes wonder what if everyone who spends money on licensing fees instead takes the same amount of money and puts it into FOSS. Imagine what we could achieve? Likely the money would be used more efficiently because they could donate it to non-profit companies which don't need to pay tax.

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                          • R [email protected]

                            Sadly I took my claim from observation of the real world. And I wasn't even talking about machine learning systems yet. Some teenagers and young adults nowadays are already walking zombies hooked to tiktok.

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                            I am a walking zombie hooked to Lemmy!

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                            • H [email protected]

                              I think this has been tried before.

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                              Yup. And MS had to bribe the city of Munich with moving their German HQ there to make them switch back.

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                              • L [email protected]

                                I just switched to Linux and got a new win11 laptop for my wife.

                                Had to install a old HP Laser MFC (going to switch to brother when I run out of toner).

                                It just worked on Linux mint. Auto installed. Printing and scanning.
                                On win10 worked automatically. Printing and scanning.
                                On Win 11 it installed with a generic driver and printed fine but not scanning. Had to get the win10 driver from the site... WTH.

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                                My Brother printer worked way better on W11 then W10, but I disliked W10 more than I dislike W11 at least at the start

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                                  they will save 188,000 € on Microsoft license fees per year

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                                  #111

                                  Unfortunately nextcloud sucks

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                                    Unfortunately nextcloud sucks

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                                    I was thinking about trying it out on my server. Why does it suck?

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                                    • sommerset@thelemmy.clubS [email protected]

                                      Unfortunately nextcloud sucks

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                                      So use some of that money saved to pay some nextcloud developers to improve it.

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                                      • nek0d3r@lemmy.dbzer0.comN [email protected]

                                        I was thinking about trying it out on my server. Why does it suck?

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                                        I wouldn't say categorically that it sucks.

                                        1. It is inefficient and requires far too many server resources for what it does. Won't really run on less than 2gb/RAM minimum, with 1-2 users.

                                        2. Add ONS seem to be all over the place with lots of incompatibilities, some default add ons that just plain don't work.

                                        3. In my short testing it seems to be a bit unstable.

                                        In my opinion, it suffers from many of the same problems as other projects that started out and we're developed largely by hobbyists like zoneminder, and even home assistant to some extent. Sprawling growth, no strict architecture, little concern for refactoring.

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                                        • A [email protected]

                                          I wouldn't say categorically that it sucks.

                                          1. It is inefficient and requires far too many server resources for what it does. Won't really run on less than 2gb/RAM minimum, with 1-2 users.

                                          2. Add ONS seem to be all over the place with lots of incompatibilities, some default add ons that just plain don't work.

                                          3. In my short testing it seems to be a bit unstable.

                                          In my opinion, it suffers from many of the same problems as other projects that started out and we're developed largely by hobbyists like zoneminder, and even home assistant to some extent. Sprawling growth, no strict architecture, little concern for refactoring.

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                                          #115

                                          Interesting. What would you recommend as an alternative?

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