public services of an entire german state switches from Microsoft to open source (Libreoffice, Linux, Nextcloud, Thunderbird)
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There already are. I barely missed a linux virus from a hijacked python package what... two years ago?
Linux desktops are quite non-homogenous though, so their vectors/nature is kinda different.
Sure, and they have been for decades. They're still not that common though.
What Python package almost got you?
I wonder if I've been hit but just haven't noticed because I tend to run things in containers.
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LibreOffice is a great alternative for 99% of people, but there is that 1% of people who is gonna be disappointment.
This is a great step though.I just switched to Linux and got a new win11 laptop for my wife.
Had to install a old HP Laser MFC (going to switch to brother when I run out of toner).
It just worked on Linux mint. Auto installed. Printing and scanning.
On win10 worked automatically. Printing and scanning.
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they will save 188,000 € on Microsoft license fees per year
That is such a crazy amount of money on license fees, especially when you consider that there are mostly free alternatives. I am always choosing foss options as I build my small business.
Right now, I am using onedrive, and Microsoft for my business email. Which I think comes out to like $5 a month.
My understanding is that for reliable email, you need to host with microsoft or google otherwise you are more likely to get sorted into junk mail. If that is incorrect, please let me know.
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Sure, and they have been for decades. They're still not that common though.
What Python package almost got you?
I wonder if I've been hit but just haven't noticed because I tend to run things in containers.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Pytorch Nightly:
https://pytorch.org/blog/compromised-nightly-dependency/https://www.theregister.com/2023/01/04/pypi_pytorch_dependency_attack/
Funnily enough I can't even post what it does without the Lemmy comment filter zapping me, but it tried to scrape accounts and passwords.
The malicious binary would upload files ranging in size up to 99,999 bytes and send the contents to a specified domain.
Was pretty scary from my perspective. I missed it by a week. PyPi is a mess, and it makes me wonder how much isn't caught.
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Windows + office + account and identity management all come with Ms 365 business in the first tier past family. For about $15 or $16 a month you can use InTune to set up logins and select enrollment with MFA as well a provision computers and management with InTune including Boyd self enrollment for laptops, Android, and Apple. All your files get rbac, backup, and recovery from day 1. You can, and I would recommend strongly against this, even manage your osx devices from InTune.
It's very slick and there is a reason business use it. This thread is somewhat delusional on how easy it is to manage and how terrible office 365 is.
UntilI can log a user on and have all their stuff automatically sync or download on Linux. Microsoft can have office computers. But please, please let Linux take over gaming.
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they will save 188,000 € on Microsoft license fees per year
There in that place where closed systems are frowned upon, Install Linux, Problem Solved.
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they will save 188,000 € on Microsoft license fees per year
wrote on last edited by [email protected]An interesting fact about Europe is they've long disobeyed their own procurement laws to choose Microsoft software, whether its corruption or what I've got no idea, I assume so though.
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they will save 188,000 € on Microsoft license fees per year
I sometimes wonder what if everyone who spends money on licensing fees instead takes the same amount of money and puts it into FOSS. Imagine what we could achieve? Likely the money would be used more efficiently because they could donate it to non-profit companies which don't need to pay tax.
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Sadly I took my claim from observation of the real world. And I wasn't even talking about machine learning systems yet. Some teenagers and young adults nowadays are already walking zombies hooked to tiktok.
I am a walking zombie hooked to Lemmy!
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I think this has been tried before.
Yup. And MS had to bribe the city of Munich with moving their German HQ there to make them switch back.
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I just switched to Linux and got a new win11 laptop for my wife.
Had to install a old HP Laser MFC (going to switch to brother when I run out of toner).
It just worked on Linux mint. Auto installed. Printing and scanning.
On win10 worked automatically. Printing and scanning.
On Win 11 it installed with a generic driver and printed fine but not scanning. Had to get the win10 driver from the site... WTH.wrote on last edited by [email protected]My Brother printer worked way better on W11 then W10, but I disliked W10 more than I dislike W11 at least at the start
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they will save 188,000 € on Microsoft license fees per year
Unfortunately nextcloud sucks
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Unfortunately nextcloud sucks
I was thinking about trying it out on my server. Why does it suck?
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Unfortunately nextcloud sucks
So use some of that money saved to pay some nextcloud developers to improve it.
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I was thinking about trying it out on my server. Why does it suck?
I wouldn't say categorically that it sucks.
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It is inefficient and requires far too many server resources for what it does. Won't really run on less than 2gb/RAM minimum, with 1-2 users.
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Add ONS seem to be all over the place with lots of incompatibilities, some default add ons that just plain don't work.
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In my short testing it seems to be a bit unstable.
In my opinion, it suffers from many of the same problems as other projects that started out and we're developed largely by hobbyists like zoneminder, and even home assistant to some extent. Sprawling growth, no strict architecture, little concern for refactoring.
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I wouldn't say categorically that it sucks.
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It is inefficient and requires far too many server resources for what it does. Won't really run on less than 2gb/RAM minimum, with 1-2 users.
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Add ONS seem to be all over the place with lots of incompatibilities, some default add ons that just plain don't work.
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In my short testing it seems to be a bit unstable.
In my opinion, it suffers from many of the same problems as other projects that started out and we're developed largely by hobbyists like zoneminder, and even home assistant to some extent. Sprawling growth, no strict architecture, little concern for refactoring.
Interesting. What would you recommend as an alternative?
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they will save 188,000 € on Microsoft license fees per year
Good, amazing but I'm not a linux fanboy who will feel giddy for this. My friends would definitely press me over this. But yeah I'm happy
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My Brother printer worked way better on W11 then W10, but I disliked W10 more than I dislike W11 at least at the start
Going from win7 to win10 is definitely more harsh than from win10 to win11
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they will save 188,000 € on Microsoft license fees per year
I admire the plan, but I doubt the public sector is going to completely acclimate to Linux. The average age of an employee in the public sector is something like 40+.
You might get lucky and get them to use one new program like LibreOffice, but there's no way you're going to completely revamp every desktop PC to Linux. I work in this field, and while everyone has been nice and friendly, they (and the entire system around them) are also hugely resistant to digital change.
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Some localities in Germany have been incorporating Linux into their systems for 20+ years.
That may explain why the financial benefits seem low.
Certainly not this one: 6 EUR/user/year doesn't cover even Windows
