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public services of an entire german state switches from Microsoft to open source (Libreoffice, Linux, Nextcloud, Thunderbird)

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  • S [email protected]

    Please become a thing. Having viruses custom tailored for your OS means you've made it.

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    I don't wanna "make it". I just want fast, secure, private computing.

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    • lazynooblet@lazysoci.alL [email protected]

      If the trend continues then maybe the hacker community will start focusing on Linux. Can you imagine "I don't need a virus scanner, I use Windows, the under dog OS"

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      The hacker community it's very focused on Linux since most servers in the world run it. The fly by night script kiddies and botnet creators definitely prefer end user systems though.

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      • L [email protected]

        188K doesnt sound much

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        Some localities in Germany have been incorporating Linux into their systems for 20+ years.

        That may explain why the financial benefits seem low.

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        • M [email protected]

          Same goes for any software.

          I don't understand why people act like Windows is the holy grail of computing.

          It sucks, it barely works for 90% of users, and the rest will use anything else.

          Just as Linux will work for 98% of people, and those last ones are due to handful of evil companies.

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          The problem is education. People know how to use Windows/Microsoft products, and are too lazy to learn anything else. Saying "that other thing sucks" is easier than admitting "Idk how to use that other thing, and I'm too lazy to learn", especially in a corporate environment where you can't climb ladders by acknowledging your own shortcomings.

          Get LibreOffice/Nextcloud/etc into schools, and the problem will be solved in a single generation.

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          • C [email protected]

            Just wait for Microsoft to start astroturfing the initiative.

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            Didn't the Trump admin suspend enforcement of foreign anti-bribery laws? Microsoft just has to write a check to the right person to kill this.

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            • B [email protected]

              Best I can give you is dataport looking for nextcloud admins, it's also listed as a component of dPhoenixSuite.

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              #82

              🤔 I wonder if they'll hire an American who barely dabbles in self hosting and doesn't speak 28.35 grams of German. Or would it be 29.6 mL?

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                🤔 I wonder if they'll hire an American who barely dabbles in self hosting and doesn't speak 28.35 grams of German. Or would it be 29.6 mL?

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                Modulo everything, you need to have been a resident for at least five years to have any chance of getting security clearance. Also it would be "not a shredlet".

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                • G [email protected]

                  The problem is education. People know how to use Windows/Microsoft products, and are too lazy to learn anything else. Saying "that other thing sucks" is easier than admitting "Idk how to use that other thing, and I'm too lazy to learn", especially in a corporate environment where you can't climb ladders by acknowledging your own shortcomings.

                  Get LibreOffice/Nextcloud/etc into schools, and the problem will be solved in a single generation.

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                  People 'know' how to use Microsoft products. I'm a data guy and might spend less than a day a week in word, PowerPoint, excel. Most of the time I spend in them is checking other people's work. I'm still called on to help people with such tasks as switching from footnotes to endnotes, moving files in SharePoint, fixing formatting. My general knowledge of navigating the UI and googling fixes is better than what people 'know'.

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                  • V [email protected]

                    LibreOffice is a great alternative for 99% of people, but there is that 1% of people who is gonna be disappointment.
                    This is a great step though.

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                    The only thing preventing me from full adoption in it is the lack of being able to convert to table like in excel. I've moved to it for my word processing. But I can't shake excel because I use that feature almost every time I use the program.

                    After that i just need to find replacements for OneNote and OneDrive and I'll finally be free.

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                    • V [email protected]

                      LibreOffice is a great alternative for 99% of people, but there is that 1% of people who is gonna be disappointment.
                      This is a great step though.

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                      For me the trouble has always been interactions with other people. It's way better than 10 years ago. Just LibreOffices ribbon interface looks so much better today than 5 years ago. File compatibility is just going to be a continued growing pain until LibreOffice hits a major marketshare

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                        The only thing preventing me from full adoption in it is the lack of being able to convert to table like in excel. I've moved to it for my word processing. But I can't shake excel because I use that feature almost every time I use the program.

                        After that i just need to find replacements for OneNote and OneDrive and I'll finally be free.

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                        You can do that in LibreOffice. Its just a few more clicks than in Excel. Its such a common feature they should really make it clearer. I think the feature is "Database Ranges"

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                        • B [email protected]

                          It's horrendous. Can't even explain how bad it is now.

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                          I have an Outlook account from when I decided to use it specifically to receive and interact with clients as a freelance artist.

                          My freelance gig didn't launch, so I kinda forgot about it. This week I remembered that account and logged on... Only to find the most disgusting interface a user has ever seen! There are (almost) no shortcuts, not a gram of intuitiveness to be found...

                          Horrible horrible platform

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                          • E [email protected]

                            You can do that in LibreOffice. Its just a few more clicks than in Excel. Its such a common feature they should really make it clearer. I think the feature is "Database Ranges"

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                            Each time I tried to decipher the answer from argumentative forum posts and vague descriptions I didn't find anything equivalent. I can take a look again, don't think that was the name of things I tried before.

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                            • T [email protected]

                              The hacker community it's very focused on Linux since most servers in the world run it. The fly by night script kiddies and botnet creators definitely prefer end user systems though.

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                              This right here. Linux security is so good that the easiest way to break in is via Phishing someone with a windows laptop.

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                              • B [email protected]

                                Assuming the IT staff isn't comprised of a bunch of junior techs that only know the Microsoft suite and not the actual inner workings of how email and Linux works.

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                                Or way worse, what you said but senior techs.

                                Microsoft has been at this long enough that there is an army of old guys whose only - but extremely specialized - skillset is navigating arcane GUIs for group policies and AD administration. But drop them in a bash terminal and they're like a fish dropped on a tennis court.

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                                • A [email protected]

                                  Or way worse, what you said but senior techs.

                                  Microsoft has been at this long enough that there is an army of old guys whose only - but extremely specialized - skillset is navigating arcane GUIs for group policies and AD administration. But drop them in a bash terminal and they're like a fish dropped on a tennis court.

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                                  Ew. I didn't think of it that way, but your right. Hopefully the seniors are tech smart and not just MS smart.

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                                  • N [email protected]

                                    they will save 188,000 € on Microsoft license fees per year

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                                    Germany has done this multiple times before. Microsoft has historically swept in with some sweetheart deal to lure them back.

                                    Hopefully it sticks this time.

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                                      they will save 188,000 € on Microsoft license fees per year

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                                      Good on them. Those are all solid choices.

                                      I prefer Evolution over Thunderbird, personally. But to be fair, there aren’t any mail clients for Linux that I would say I genuinely like. I’m always open to suggestions, though.

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                                      • J [email protected]

                                        The only thing preventing me from full adoption in it is the lack of being able to convert to table like in excel. I've moved to it for my word processing. But I can't shake excel because I use that feature almost every time I use the program.

                                        After that i just need to find replacements for OneNote and OneDrive and I'll finally be free.

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                                        Replace OneDrive with a NAS. You can roll your own with something like OpenMediaVault.

                                        Replace OneNote with Obsidian. It’s not FOSS, but it’s free and cross platform.

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                                        • S [email protected]

                                          Please become a thing. Having viruses custom tailored for your OS means you've made it.

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                                          There already are. I barely missed a linux virus from a hijacked python package what... two years ago?

                                          Linux desktops are quite non-homogenous though, so their vectors/nature is kinda different.

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