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public services of an entire german state switches from Microsoft to open source (Libreoffice, Linux, Nextcloud, Thunderbird)

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  • V [email protected]

    LibreOffice is a great alternative for 99% of people, but there is that 1% of people who is gonna be disappointment.
    This is a great step though.

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    The only thing preventing me from full adoption in it is the lack of being able to convert to table like in excel. I've moved to it for my word processing. But I can't shake excel because I use that feature almost every time I use the program.

    After that i just need to find replacements for OneNote and OneDrive and I'll finally be free.

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    • V [email protected]

      LibreOffice is a great alternative for 99% of people, but there is that 1% of people who is gonna be disappointment.
      This is a great step though.

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      For me the trouble has always been interactions with other people. It's way better than 10 years ago. Just LibreOffices ribbon interface looks so much better today than 5 years ago. File compatibility is just going to be a continued growing pain until LibreOffice hits a major marketshare

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        The only thing preventing me from full adoption in it is the lack of being able to convert to table like in excel. I've moved to it for my word processing. But I can't shake excel because I use that feature almost every time I use the program.

        After that i just need to find replacements for OneNote and OneDrive and I'll finally be free.

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        You can do that in LibreOffice. Its just a few more clicks than in Excel. Its such a common feature they should really make it clearer. I think the feature is "Database Ranges"

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          It's horrendous. Can't even explain how bad it is now.

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          I have an Outlook account from when I decided to use it specifically to receive and interact with clients as a freelance artist.

          My freelance gig didn't launch, so I kinda forgot about it. This week I remembered that account and logged on... Only to find the most disgusting interface a user has ever seen! There are (almost) no shortcuts, not a gram of intuitiveness to be found...

          Horrible horrible platform

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            You can do that in LibreOffice. Its just a few more clicks than in Excel. Its such a common feature they should really make it clearer. I think the feature is "Database Ranges"

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            Each time I tried to decipher the answer from argumentative forum posts and vague descriptions I didn't find anything equivalent. I can take a look again, don't think that was the name of things I tried before.

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            • T [email protected]

              The hacker community it's very focused on Linux since most servers in the world run it. The fly by night script kiddies and botnet creators definitely prefer end user systems though.

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              This right here. Linux security is so good that the easiest way to break in is via Phishing someone with a windows laptop.

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                Assuming the IT staff isn't comprised of a bunch of junior techs that only know the Microsoft suite and not the actual inner workings of how email and Linux works.

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                Or way worse, what you said but senior techs.

                Microsoft has been at this long enough that there is an army of old guys whose only - but extremely specialized - skillset is navigating arcane GUIs for group policies and AD administration. But drop them in a bash terminal and they're like a fish dropped on a tennis court.

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                  Or way worse, what you said but senior techs.

                  Microsoft has been at this long enough that there is an army of old guys whose only - but extremely specialized - skillset is navigating arcane GUIs for group policies and AD administration. But drop them in a bash terminal and they're like a fish dropped on a tennis court.

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                  Ew. I didn't think of it that way, but your right. Hopefully the seniors are tech smart and not just MS smart.

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                  • N [email protected]

                    they will save 188,000 € on Microsoft license fees per year

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                    Germany has done this multiple times before. Microsoft has historically swept in with some sweetheart deal to lure them back.

                    Hopefully it sticks this time.

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                    • N [email protected]

                      they will save 188,000 € on Microsoft license fees per year

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                      #94

                      Good on them. Those are all solid choices.

                      I prefer Evolution over Thunderbird, personally. But to be fair, there aren’t any mail clients for Linux that I would say I genuinely like. I’m always open to suggestions, though.

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                      • J [email protected]

                        The only thing preventing me from full adoption in it is the lack of being able to convert to table like in excel. I've moved to it for my word processing. But I can't shake excel because I use that feature almost every time I use the program.

                        After that i just need to find replacements for OneNote and OneDrive and I'll finally be free.

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                        Replace OneDrive with a NAS. You can roll your own with something like OpenMediaVault.

                        Replace OneNote with Obsidian. It’s not FOSS, but it’s free and cross platform.

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                          Please become a thing. Having viruses custom tailored for your OS means you've made it.

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                          There already are. I barely missed a linux virus from a hijacked python package what... two years ago?

                          Linux desktops are quite non-homogenous though, so their vectors/nature is kinda different.

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                            Germany has done this multiple times before. Microsoft has historically swept in with some sweetheart deal to lure them back.

                            Hopefully it sticks this time.

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                            Hard to catch fish if you see the fish as dumb idiots, for some reason the fish don't seem to respond well to it idk.

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                              188K doesnt sound much

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                              A cost worth cutting nonetheless

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                              • N [email protected]

                                For me the trouble has always been interactions with other people. It's way better than 10 years ago. Just LibreOffices ribbon interface looks so much better today than 5 years ago. File compatibility is just going to be a continued growing pain until LibreOffice hits a major marketshare

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                                ODF master race?

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                                  There already are. I barely missed a linux virus from a hijacked python package what... two years ago?

                                  Linux desktops are quite non-homogenous though, so their vectors/nature is kinda different.

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                                  Sure, and they have been for decades. They're still not that common though.

                                  What Python package almost got you?

                                  I wonder if I've been hit but just haven't noticed because I tend to run things in containers.

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                                    LibreOffice is a great alternative for 99% of people, but there is that 1% of people who is gonna be disappointment.
                                    This is a great step though.

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                                    I just switched to Linux and got a new win11 laptop for my wife.

                                    Had to install a old HP Laser MFC (going to switch to brother when I run out of toner).

                                    It just worked on Linux mint. Auto installed. Printing and scanning.
                                    On win10 worked automatically. Printing and scanning.
                                    On Win 11 it installed with a generic driver and printed fine but not scanning. Had to get the win10 driver from the site... WTH.

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                                      they will save 188,000 € on Microsoft license fees per year

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                                      That is such a crazy amount of money on license fees, especially when you consider that there are mostly free alternatives. I am always choosing foss options as I build my small business.

                                      Right now, I am using onedrive, and Microsoft for my business email. Which I think comes out to like $5 a month.

                                      My understanding is that for reliable email, you need to host with microsoft or google otherwise you are more likely to get sorted into junk mail. If that is incorrect, please let me know.

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                                        Sure, and they have been for decades. They're still not that common though.

                                        What Python package almost got you?

                                        I wonder if I've been hit but just haven't noticed because I tend to run things in containers.

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                                        Pytorch Nightly:
                                        https://pytorch.org/blog/compromised-nightly-dependency/

                                        https://www.theregister.com/2023/01/04/pypi_pytorch_dependency_attack/

                                        Funnily enough I can't even post what it does without the Lemmy comment filter zapping me, but it tried to scrape accounts and passwords.

                                        The malicious binary would upload files ranging in size up to 99,999 bytes and send the contents to a specified domain.

                                        Was pretty scary from my perspective. I missed it by a week. PyPi is a mess, and it makes me wonder how much isn't caught.

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                                        • I [email protected]

                                          Windows + office + account and identity management all come with Ms 365 business in the first tier past family. For about $15 or $16 a month you can use InTune to set up logins and select enrollment with MFA as well a provision computers and management with InTune including Boyd self enrollment for laptops, Android, and Apple. All your files get rbac, backup, and recovery from day 1. You can, and I would recommend strongly against this, even manage your osx devices from InTune.

                                          It's very slick and there is a reason business use it. This thread is somewhat delusional on how easy it is to manage and how terrible office 365 is.

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                                          UntilI can log a user on and have all their stuff automatically sync or download on Linux. Microsoft can have office computers. But please, please let Linux take over gaming.

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