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Russia has lost over 900,000 soldiers since February 2022

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    I dont feel bad about it

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      I'm not even Russian and I'm offended. Most of these people who died likely didn't even want to fight, but we're drafted anyway. Blame the oligarchy, not the people who were forced to participate.

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      the Russo an law prohibits using drafted conscripts in a war like this. While that law is largely ignored, it goes have the effect that the Russia hires soldiers through giving them an enormous salary:
      In rural areas a factory worker might get a monthly salary of around 70 € per month. As a soldier you get 2000 € per month, which is about 70 € per day!

      That also means, the soldiers are in it because they have decided they want to do they in order to give a less poor life for their family. Killing others' children in order to feed theirs better.

      A very small fraction of the soldiers you see die have come to the front against their will.

      Therefore:
      Roaches, not orcs.

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      • P [email protected]

        I travel a lot, both for work and leisure, and wherever there's no travel restrictions for Russians, like Thailand, UAE, or Egypt, it's simply overrun with Russian tourists. And they're rich, too, with the latest iPhones, Apple Watches and all the other fashion brands.

        As much as I'd like to see l say that Russia is feeling the impact of this war, empirically, I can't say that it seems that way.

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        Classism is present in Russia too.

        I watched a couple of YouTube videos from a normal guy who lives in Russia talking about what it was actually like to live in Russia around the time that Tucker Carlson did that weird state visit and he peeled back a layer of intentional propaganda that the American journalist was spreading - that Russians are living in some kind of luxury paradise. Sure, everything costs less over there, but people are also paid a lot less too. If you're working class, it's hard to afford enough food to put on the table sometimes. The rich, however, are not hurting for anything and a lot of big brand labels that said they would exit Russia just rebranded themselves or quietly re-entered the market after all the commotion about the war died down.

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          Let's just remember Putin does have a sense of humor. Sending families of dead soldiers lost in what the world is calling a meat grinder literal meat grinders as presents is extremely funny in a way it absolutely shouldn't be.

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          • L [email protected]

            Ukraine has lots of valuable natural resources, but Russia has much more of everything. The biggest reason for the invasion is most likely that Putin could not let a "brother nation" prosper and drift towards Europe and being a functioning democracy.

            Russia's population might get wild ideas if they saw that their Ukrainian cousins' standard of living starts to rise rapidly while they have to endure living under a fascist dictator. And substandard and underdeveloped infrastructure, due to the rampant corruption and a government who doesn't give a shit about the areas outside the larger cities.

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            It's that but (playing devil's advocate for a second) Russia "traditionally" had a huge buffer between Moscow and the evil west. If Ukraine goes European and -worse- NATO, then that evil west with their evil ideas like freedom and democracy is suddenly quite close to Moscow's doorstep.

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            • S [email protected]

              Poor person gets brainwashed, coerced and joins military to earn money.

              "Haha, orc!!! They all deserve to die a pigs death!!"

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              There is no place for sympathy to Russians, most of them support Putin. They aren't brainwashed and most are aware of the situation and do nothing.

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              • corkyskog@sh.itjust.worksC [email protected]

                That's kind of what happens when your government and economy functions off of corruption.

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                Well its either that or collapse, problem with Russia though is that the various ethnic and political groups that could've collapsed it easily were more or less wiped out during the holodomor. Specifically the ones in Siberia and the far east.

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                • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.comG [email protected]

                  Most of these people who died likely didn't even want to fight, but we're drafted anyway. Blame the oligarchy, not the people who were forced to participate

                  Had my father been drafted for 'nam his plan was to use his rifle to kill as many officers as possible before himself, rather than fight for the US in that war. I had the same plan in the unlikely event I was drafted for something, too

                  Maybe the Russians could have a backbone like that, yeah? They're being given tools of war and willingly go off to die without a fight? Actually pathetic, and not worth sympathy

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                  Exactly my opinion

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                    this type of propaganda is useless. few people even care or believe these numbers.

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                    The Oryx numbers at least are not underestimated – each single number has a photo to prove it. And the numbers published by ZSU always rise and descend hand-in-hand with those of Oryx – there seems to be a more or less fixed coefficient that you can convert the numbers back and forth.

                    Also, because the ZSU data is published before that of Oryx, it must be based on actual data. Then, the question is: what is the coefficient between reality and these numbers we keep seeing in these brown images. We have got a couple of leaks from the Russia, and they have been almost precisely the same as the data published by ZSU. Therefore, the coefficient is apparently 1.

                    I find it very surprising that the ZSU numbers are not inflated, but when trying to find evidence on how much they are inflated, I've only found evidence of them actually being as precisely correct as possible.

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                    • tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyzT [email protected]

                      They're using money in lieu of skill. Eventually they'll run out if it.

                      Then no more high salary for the Russian soldier – and consequently, no more soldiers.

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                      High salary? I thought at this point most of their fighting force is getting paid in "Not going back to that gulag for those heinous things you did to people back home."

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                      • unclegrandpa@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

                        Russia is losing... Badly

                        Their only hope is for Ukraine to just give up

                        This is trumps job now

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                        But they keep taking land, don't they?

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                          Lost, huh?

                          Does that mean casualties? As in, not necessarily deaths?

                          Russia has lost 1,330 soldiers killed and wounded over the past day alone

                          I would assume the answer is 'yes.'

                          Fuck I hate the propaganda reporting on both sides.

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                          A bit over one third of these losses are deaths.

                          Typically in wars it's about one sixth, and that is also approximately Ukraine's ratio as well. For the Russia the number is very different because they don't care for their wounded – many of the wounded are converted to dead through inexistence of medical care.

                          So, 900 000 Russian losses equals a bit over 300 000 dead orcs/roaches/whateveryoucallthem.

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                          • B [email protected]

                            Russia just gained 900,000 eligible women in his eyes.

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                            About 600 000 of those 900 000 are permanently crippled instead of dead. Those who already were married don't produce a eligible woman for Putin, but of course in the Russian atmosphere you won't find a woman if your number of limbs is less than four.

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                            • P [email protected]

                              And then they send the mutilated back out into the trenches literally.

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                              Some they do, but actually most they don't.
                              The casualty rate is about 40 000 per month, meaning that there are about 25 000 cripples per month. The Russian recruitment capacity is about 25 000 to 35 000 per month depending on the source, so there should be about one cripple for one four-limbed soldier if all of the cripples were sent to the front. In reality, their number is a tiny fraction of that, as we can see in the videos.

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                                Well its either that or collapse, problem with Russia though is that the various ethnic and political groups that could've collapsed it easily were more or less wiped out during the holodomor. Specifically the ones in Siberia and the far east.

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                                What happened in Siberia and the far east? Which groups were killed?

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                                  Does that not include Russians defecting also?

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                                  Russians don't really defect. They are told that Ukrainians will torture them for fun if they are caught alive and then kill each one, so it looks for them as if a 99% chance of dying on the field is still better chance than 100% chance of torture and then death anyway.

                                  And because the Russian soldiers honestly believe this is how Ukrainians behave, they do that very thing to Ukrainians "in revenge".

                                  If they defect to the rear, they are shot by kadyrovite sheep enthusiasts.

                                  So, whether the number includes defects is largely irrelevant. Maybe they do, maybe they don't, but that won't affect the numbers even by a tenth of a percent.

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                                    What happened in Siberia and the far east? Which groups were killed?

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                                    Lots of native Siberians and the Eastern Ukrainians, while the Holodomor was centralized to Ukraine it was not restricted to Ukraine itself. Meaning lots and lots of starving people that either fled or died. Also the Soviets were still doing purges throughout Siberia and the Far East because they were paranoid of a resurgent White or Black army which definitely didn't help, also when I say purges I mean entire villages wiped out.

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                                      It's not mere personal gain with Putin. The man has a vision of returning Russia to glorious Soviet Union. Probably felt kicked in the balls when it all fell apart. Remember, he was the head of the KGB, an extraordinarily powerful man.

                                      He likely felt he would quickly crush Ukraine, make them an example, and then move on to other lost, and weaker, countries.

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                                      He was never the head of KGB. He was planted as the prime minister by KGB precisely because the big guys at KGB believed they could control him when the prime minister becomes a president by the president resigning.

                                      The other important people in KGB would never have allowed for the head of the KGB to become the president if the Russia, because they were his competitors.

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                                      • F [email protected]

                                        Riiiiiigght.

                                        Be conscripted and die, or fight conscription and die.

                                        Cowards to the last man.

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                                        Russian soldiers are mostly not conscripted, but enlist because the salary of a factory worker in a rural town is around 70 € per month, whereas the salary of a soldier is about 2000 € per day, which means a monthly salary each day, including weekends.

                                        They go killing because they are okay to kill others in order to get a richer life for their family. And that's not an okay reason. They have chosen their fate and deserve death.

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                                        • S [email protected]

                                          Including wounded is the official definition of lost, always been. No need to call propaganda, it simply how is defined.

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                                          "Russia suffered x casualties in y time."

                                          Just like prices ending in .99, a significant amount of useful idiots are going to look at the word "lost" and assume it means killed.

                                          That's how propaganda works and it shouldn't have to be spelled out for you.

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