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Russia has lost over 900,000 soldiers since February 2022

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  • W [email protected]

    Does that not include Russians defecting also?

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    Russians don't really defect. They are told that Ukrainians will torture them for fun if they are caught alive and then kill each one, so it looks for them as if a 99% chance of dying on the field is still better chance than 100% chance of torture and then death anyway.

    And because the Russian soldiers honestly believe this is how Ukrainians behave, they do that very thing to Ukrainians "in revenge".

    If they defect to the rear, they are shot by kadyrovite sheep enthusiasts.

    So, whether the number includes defects is largely irrelevant. Maybe they do, maybe they don't, but that won't affect the numbers even by a tenth of a percent.

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    • S [email protected]

      What happened in Siberia and the far east? Which groups were killed?

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      Lots of native Siberians and the Eastern Ukrainians, while the Holodomor was centralized to Ukraine it was not restricted to Ukraine itself. Meaning lots and lots of starving people that either fled or died. Also the Soviets were still doing purges throughout Siberia and the Far East because they were paranoid of a resurgent White or Black army which definitely didn't help, also when I say purges I mean entire villages wiped out.

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      • S [email protected]

        It's not mere personal gain with Putin. The man has a vision of returning Russia to glorious Soviet Union. Probably felt kicked in the balls when it all fell apart. Remember, he was the head of the KGB, an extraordinarily powerful man.

        He likely felt he would quickly crush Ukraine, make them an example, and then move on to other lost, and weaker, countries.

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        He was never the head of KGB. He was planted as the prime minister by KGB precisely because the big guys at KGB believed they could control him when the prime minister becomes a president by the president resigning.

        The other important people in KGB would never have allowed for the head of the KGB to become the president if the Russia, because they were his competitors.

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        • F [email protected]

          Riiiiiigght.

          Be conscripted and die, or fight conscription and die.

          Cowards to the last man.

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          Russian soldiers are mostly not conscripted, but enlist because the salary of a factory worker in a rural town is around 70 € per month, whereas the salary of a soldier is about 2000 € per day, which means a monthly salary each day, including weekends.

          They go killing because they are okay to kill others in order to get a richer life for their family. And that's not an okay reason. They have chosen their fate and deserve death.

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          • S [email protected]

            Including wounded is the official definition of lost, always been. No need to call propaganda, it simply how is defined.

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            "Russia suffered x casualties in y time."

            Just like prices ending in .99, a significant amount of useful idiots are going to look at the word "lost" and assume it means killed.

            That's how propaganda works and it shouldn't have to be spelled out for you.

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              this type of propaganda is useless. few people even care or believe these numbers.

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              This number might count soldiers several times. If a soldier gets injured and becomes a casualty, they can heal up and then serve again. So the same soldier could be injured and recover three times and then be killed. That would make hm a causally four times.

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              • tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyzT [email protected]

                A bit over one third of these losses are deaths.

                Typically in wars it's about one sixth, and that is also approximately Ukraine's ratio as well. For the Russia the number is very different because they don't care for their wounded – many of the wounded are converted to dead through inexistence of medical care.

                So, 900 000 Russian losses equals a bit over 300 000 dead orcs/roaches/whateveryoucallthem.

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                The thing is, for the war it doesn’t really have much meaning whether the loss is through death or a serious wound.

                Not true. A soldier that's killed isn't going back home to his family. He'll never have kids. He'll never contribute to the economy ever again.

                Trying to say kills don't matter in a war is retarded.

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                • my_ifaks___gone@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                  I just believe the righteous antipathy is better leveled at the Russian government, specifically Putin, than the anonymous cannon fodder.

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                  I live in Finland, where about five percent of the people are Russian-speakers. Half from the Russia, the other half from Baltics.

                  My image of them has changed dramatically since 2022. I've had a job where I encounter a lot of different low-educated workers, and that has a included several tens of Russian-speakers. There has been precisely one among them that has not been repeating Putin's talking points.

                  Nowadays I try to steer clear of everyone with a Russian name because I don't want to ruin my workday. When they hear that I've lived some time in Ukraine, the war easily comes up. And then does the propaganda.

                  Having this experience has been something I really wouldn't have wanted to have. I have indeed met Russians who are decent people. But, all of them have received other citizenships already years ago, because if you don't believe the Russian propaganda, you see what a horrible country it is, and want nothing to do with it.

                  If someone has not left the Russia by 2025, they have a reason for that. They stand for Putin's fascism.

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                    Where is your humanity?

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                    In the above post.

                    This is a war fought against humanity. Ukraine's strategy is to keep Russian losses at or above the Russian recruitment capacity. If the Russian losses descend under 25 000 per month, they can first fill their ranks, and when that's done, start actually training their soldiers, which would change the course of the war.
                    If there are less than about a thousand Russia military losses per day, then humanity is in danger in large regions.

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                    • my_ifaks___gone@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                      I would imagine Agent Orange and severe PTSD-induced homelessness or suicide should also contribute to that number.

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                      They don't count as military losses. This isn't a statistic about Russian suffering. This a statistic about how many soldiers the Russian military has lost from its ranks. PTSD doesn't remove a soldier from the ranks.

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                      • ? Guest

                        "Russia suffered x casualties in y time."

                        Just like prices ending in .99, a significant amount of useful idiots are going to look at the word "lost" and assume it means killed.

                        That's how propaganda works and it shouldn't have to be spelled out for you.

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                        Lost means "not able to fight". If they lose a leg, they might be alive, but not very useful in the battlefield. Therefore the soldier, not the human, is lost

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                        • B [email protected]

                          See first comment, 900K include wounded too.

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                          Seriously wounded.

                          There are also slight wounds, which number at around 10 000 per day on average (according to a Russian source that I read two-three days ago). Remember that this number includes everything, including getting a paper cut in your finger, so the same person can end up in that number several times per month.

                          The number of Russian military losses consists of wounded by a bit under ⅔ of the number. The wound gets included in the number only if its severe enough to permanently remove you from the front.

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                          • E [email protected]

                            Title says "lost". I took that to mean killed.

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                            Many do. But, in military purposes, it is not really relevant whether your army loses a soldier through death or through a severe permanent wound. He is still a soldier that you cannot use at the front.

                            It's a standard practice to count the dead and permanently wounded in the same number, because that's what is militarily relevant.

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                            • ? Guest

                              IDK but seems probable if anybody on earth can take large amount of casualties, might be the Russians

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                              Yup. They do have that feature.

                              As do Ukrainians. Which causes it to be a detrimental feature for both sides. If only one side had that, then it would be of advantage.

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                              • R [email protected]

                                Seeing as they are still on their murderous war of conquest, obviously not enough yet.

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                                The total number is not what you should be looking at. The interesting thing is the number of losses in proportion to the Russian recruitment capacity. They have recruitment infrastructure that enables them to recruit a maximum of 35 000 (or, according to some sources, just 25 000) soldiers per month. They are not able to restructure their recruitment procedures in wartime, as that would first decrease the recruitment capacity for a few years.

                                The Russia must get their losses under that number, because as long as they don't, they won't be able to train their soldiers – they are needed too acutely at the front for that. If they can train their soldiers, their daily losses will decrease a lot.

                                Neither side is going to run out of population to send to the front in the next 50 years. But they can lose them faster than they are able to recruit new ones.

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                                  dont worry....trump will create peace on earth and no more wars and junk.

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                                  • unclegrandpa@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

                                    Russia is losing... Badly

                                    Their only hope is for Ukraine to just give up

                                    This is trumps job now

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                                    good news for ukraine, trump is on russias side.

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                                    • S [email protected]

                                      There is no place for sympathy to Russians, most of them support Putin. They aren't brainwashed and most are aware of the situation and do nothing.

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                                      A lot of Americans support Trump or have no willingness to do anything about his facism.

                                      A lot of Germans support Afd.

                                      A lot of french support le pen.

                                      A lot of British folks support reform and Tommy robinson.

                                      So, do all the people from these countries also not deserve any sympathy? You know the ones who can't do anything about who rules over them?

                                      Do nothing

                                      How do you expect the regular russian to rise up against putin when they can barely can provide anything for their family? But also, When their only source of truth has been the state media, ofcourse it's brainwashing.

                                      At the same time Americans are not doing anything about the horrific things trump is doing and is that okay?

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                                      • rymrgandsdaughter@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                                        How many of those are From NK or are those numbers not counted?

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                                        There has been no indication that any new NK soldiers have arrived after the initial 12000. That's ten day's worth losses or one month worth Russian army size decrease if you take the Russia's recruitment capacity into account.

                                        When did the NK soldiers come? Four months ago? If so, they have recruited 100 000 to 140 000 Russian soldiers during that time, and the 13 000 NK soldiers are about 10 % atop that number. As they are muchore skilled than Russian soldiers, you'd assume their number is less than the slightly under 10 % you'd otherwise assume.

                                        So, let's guess about 5 % of the current number are NK losses. Possibly less.

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                                        • S [email protected]

                                          Lost means "not able to fight". If they lose a leg, they might be alive, but not very useful in the battlefield. Therefore the soldier, not the human, is lost

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                                          Just like prices ending in .99, a significant amount of useful idiots are going to look at the word “lost” and assume it means killed.

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