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    ... and it wasn't our fault either. They literally betrayed us. We helped them with the forest fires and they stabbed us in the back.

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      ... and it wasn't our fault either. They literally betrayed us. We helped them with the forest fires and they stabbed us in the back.

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      While I can't fault your feelings, a lot of us are unable to do much without going homeless/hungry. Too many of us are living paycheck to paycheck, as by design, to do anything without losing what little they already have.

      There are protests everywhere, the media is just downplaying/intentionally not reporting on them.

      But we are very, very sorry. Many of us have been actively fighting against this fascist bullshit for years, since 2016/17. People like myself have alienated family and friends who support this fascist regime.

      There's always more someone like me can do, but the tradeoffs are getting worse and worse. It's easier for me to just leave the country at this point and go to a country that aligns with my views and the way people should be treated.

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        ... and it wasn't our fault either. They literally betrayed us. We helped them with the forest fires and they stabbed us in the back.

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        I don't like this rhetoric. Mainly the last part where folks not demonstrating means we have bunk values. From my perspective we are an anti social bunch who generally suck at organizing. I don't have an easy way to just join up in a mass protest and I barely know where to start. I am depressed and anxious. I am trying to do what I can. Want me to just not work?? Me and who??? How will I eat?? I'd love to demonstrate.

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          While I can't fault your feelings, a lot of us are unable to do much without going homeless/hungry. Too many of us are living paycheck to paycheck, as by design, to do anything without losing what little they already have.

          There are protests everywhere, the media is just downplaying/intentionally not reporting on them.

          But we are very, very sorry. Many of us have been actively fighting against this fascist bullshit for years, since 2016/17. People like myself have alienated family and friends who support this fascist regime.

          There's always more someone like me can do, but the tradeoffs are getting worse and worse. It's easier for me to just leave the country at this point and go to a country that aligns with my views and the way people should be treated.

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          It's pretty wild that the median income before tax in the USA is less than the median income in Denmark after tax (based solely on income tax).
          Just to put things into perspective.

          With that said, it will only get worse for the American people if they don't get rid of this administatrion, and everything that has made it possible for this administration to do as it does. You think it's hard to make ends meet now? What about when you don't have any tradepartners anymore? Or when all your worker rights are stripped away?

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            I don't like this rhetoric. Mainly the last part where folks not demonstrating means we have bunk values. From my perspective we are an anti social bunch who generally suck at organizing. I don't have an easy way to just join up in a mass protest and I barely know where to start. I am depressed and anxious. I am trying to do what I can. Want me to just not work?? Me and who??? How will I eat?? I'd love to demonstrate.

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            Being anti-social and not organizing are bunk values. America will never get better until we admit the ways in which it sucks.

            Unionize! Start by just talking to your coworkers about pay. You can make a difference, but it will take a long time to unfuck.

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              While I can't fault your feelings, a lot of us are unable to do much without going homeless/hungry. Too many of us are living paycheck to paycheck, as by design, to do anything without losing what little they already have.

              There are protests everywhere, the media is just downplaying/intentionally not reporting on them.

              But we are very, very sorry. Many of us have been actively fighting against this fascist bullshit for years, since 2016/17. People like myself have alienated family and friends who support this fascist regime.

              There's always more someone like me can do, but the tradeoffs are getting worse and worse. It's easier for me to just leave the country at this point and go to a country that aligns with my views and the way people should be treated.

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              While I can’t fault your feelings, a lot of us are unable to do much without going homeless/hungry.

              So you are waiting for your personal turn on the DOGE chopping block?... bit of advice, by the time they come for YOU specifically, it will be too late

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                Being anti-social and not organizing are bunk values. America will never get better until we admit the ways in which it sucks.

                Unionize! Start by just talking to your coworkers about pay. You can make a difference, but it will take a long time to unfuck.

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                I don't value being disorganized and antisocial. It's just where I am at the moment.

                I appricate your tone. I feel like advice and support are needed. The person earlier wanted to condemn us for having not done massive organizations at the pace they felt we should.

                I get that folks are angry. Fair. It's sad to see the anger so misplaced though. To blame the citizens we'd have to have much freer and fairer elections IMO. Not that many people vote, and the president won by like 3%. America is know for having poor work-life balance.

                Lots of folks are trying. I'd much rather solidarity in the working class, and punishment for those that actually made this happen. (That being the doner class, political establishment, heritage foundation etc)

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                  While I can’t fault your feelings, a lot of us are unable to do much without going homeless/hungry.

                  So you are waiting for your personal turn on the DOGE chopping block?... bit of advice, by the time they come for YOU specifically, it will be too late

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                  Easier to hold the mountain passes than march on the capital. My elected representatives are already some of the better ones and anything more drastic needs large, organized groups and actions beyond my skill or resources.

                  Really, I'm banking on this fascist regime eating itself or outside help in the civil war.

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                    Easier to hold the mountain passes than march on the capital. My elected representatives are already some of the better ones and anything more drastic needs large, organized groups and actions beyond my skill or resources.

                    Really, I'm banking on this fascist regime eating itself or outside help in the civil war.

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                    Easier to hold the mountain passes than march on the capital.

                    Then do that!

                    Really, I’m banking on this fascist regime eating itself or outside help in the civil war.

                    The has the "we have tried nothing and are all out of ideas" vibe

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                      Easier to hold the mountain passes than march on the capital.

                      Then do that!

                      Really, I’m banking on this fascist regime eating itself or outside help in the civil war.

                      The has the "we have tried nothing and are all out of ideas" vibe

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                      I just recognize that the enemy is a well-connected and near-infinitely-resourced christofascist propaganda movement, and there's no point in making a political or literal martyr of myself when I can support my family and friends through the current and future uncertainty.

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                        I just recognize that the enemy is a well-connected and near-infinitely-resourced christofascist propaganda movement, and there's no point in making a political or literal martyr of myself when I can support my family and friends through the current and future uncertainty.

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                        Again, this is exactly the mentality that allowed the situation to be this bad

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                          ... and it wasn't our fault either. They literally betrayed us. We helped them with the forest fires and they stabbed us in the back.

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                          Oh, there are definitely protests here, you just aren't hearing about them. They just aren't making the international news. There are regular, frequent protests on the West Coast of the US, including Hawaii. Pro-federal worker protests, pro-union protests, anti-Trump/Musk protests, pro-canadian protests/celebrations. It's on our local news often, but it rarely makes international news. People have been doing good work around here too, if you know what I mean. Stuff that enrages the fascists.

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                            Again, this is exactly the mentality that allowed the situation to be this bad

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                            Alright smartass, tell me how I could have convinced millions of Americans thousands of miles away to vote different.

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                              I don't like this rhetoric. Mainly the last part where folks not demonstrating means we have bunk values. From my perspective we are an anti social bunch who generally suck at organizing. I don't have an easy way to just join up in a mass protest and I barely know where to start. I am depressed and anxious. I am trying to do what I can. Want me to just not work?? Me and who??? How will I eat?? I'd love to demonstrate.

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                              This is by design. The oligarchs have spent decades consolidating power, paying politicians off for favourable laws and regulations, and forced the wage gap wider and wider. When reports come out saying a majority of Americans live paycheque to paycheque, they run their hands in glee. The plan is working. You cannot afford to protest their take over of the government. You are a slave in almost every way. It is by design.

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